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On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:
> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} because ....
> but instead:
> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} and {ko'i} is the x3 of broda because ...

If something like that makes sense, it is a sign that the place
structure of "broda" is cobbled together from two or more different
relations.

> The specific situation I'm thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the
> x3 is what it is. I was saying something like "x1 hopes for x2 with expected
> outcome x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ..." Saying that
> the {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn't quite
> right, because the x1 doesn't hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact the
> reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this
> reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical
> impossibility, which is what came up in this case).

The x3 of "pacna" is weird. The probability that something happens has
nothing to do with whether anyone hopes for it to happen or not.

I suggest:

   ko'a pacna ko'e noi no cu'o ki'u ...
   x1 hopes for x2, which has zero probability of occurring because ...

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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