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The second one seems wrong to me, because the school itself is not a library
in general, and so even if the book in question was one they had the
sentence would still be true. And I dunno, {ckusro} seems like the better
relation to use for "having a book" in the sense of a library, better than
{ponse}, at least; the kind of possession of a book that a library is
involved in seems somewhat different from generic possession. Also, as I
said I was trying to avoid {pe} (and the nesting structure that is
equivalent to it) as best as possible; I find it useful for things that
aren't compact otherwise but prefer to avoid it when possible.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {ponse}.
>  {le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la <a particular book>}
>
> Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la <a particular book>} -> [something]
> is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book <a particular book>.
>
> The second example there seems clunky to me.  I think the base relationship
> is {ponse} or something like it.
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I attempted to say something along the lines of:
>> My university's library does not have <a particular book>.
>> preferably without having to use {pe}. My attempt was using a somewhat
>> long lujvo, seljitckusro, which I defined as:
>> x1 is a library containing books x2 managed by x3.
>> (The underlying tanru was {se jitro ke cukta sorcu}.)
>> and then the construction (with the book being the last sumti of the
>> previous sentence) was:
>> .i ri na se seljitckusro fi lo balcu'e be fo mi
>> Does this seem reasonable? I don't have much practice coining lujvo but am
>> attempting to get better at it.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e latros.
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The second one seems wrong to me, because the school itself is not a librar=
y in general, and so even if the book in question was one they had the sent=
ence would still be true. And I dunno, {ckusro} seems like the better relat=
ion to use for &quot;having a book&quot; in the sense of a library, better =
than {ponse}, at least; the kind of possession of a book that a library is =
involved in seems somewhat different from generic possession. Also, as I sa=
id I was trying to avoid {pe} (and the nesting structure that is equivalent=
 to it) as best as possible; I find it useful for things that aren&#39;t co=
mpact otherwise but prefer to avoid it when possible.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun=
 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Luke Bergen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l=
ukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {ponse}. =
=A0{le mi ckule ckusro cu na&#39;e ponse la &lt;a particular book&gt;}<div>=
<br></div><div>Or {ckule be fo mi be&#39;o na ckusro be la &lt;a particular=
 book&gt;} -&gt; [something] is a school of me type of [NOT] library with b=
ook &lt;a particular book&gt;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>The second example there seems clunky to me. =A0I think=
 the base relationship is {ponse} or something like it.<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at =
4:39 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
>

</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>=
<div></div><div class=3D"h5">I attempted to say something along the lines o=
f:<br>
My university&#39;s library does not have &lt;a particular book&gt;.<br>
preferably without having to use {pe}. My attempt was using a somewhat long=
 lujvo, seljitckusro, which I defined as:<br>
x1 is a library containing books x2 managed by x3.<br>(The underlying tanru=
 was {se jitro ke cukta sorcu}.)<br>and then the construction (with the boo=
k being the last sumti of the previous sentence) was:<br><span>.i ri na se =
seljitckusro fi lo balcu&#39;e be fo mi</span><br>


Does this seem reasonable? I don&#39;t have much practice coining lujvo but=
 am attempting to get better at it.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros.<br></d=
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