Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ONWeQ-00060F-8B; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:46:13 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9sf587353vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=THO2Q5HdeZuTkuzKqdE3Fzu/NqBMZ4bZKNWLxk/kkaQ=; b=UeZKgTO4nJJPMA1J0pQiF2eeDcWnop6FFAM8Uq2yp90eHrm+B2Lk6jAPsm1KFFGY1t bHCgaaAyCkHcg1NXilOCQbT71p/Svb/OCUtviXVgGNDV/urQO/46UZUd6ZnDuBVANTsp bS0I3E8dik+T1MXbmIdF+OzNrM8yUBz+7sVvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zAASd6ASOJFjorDKRIin4DJV76QXjuYpPEw2hr4CwoZ76H5BfmC/+hJyKfXiJzR1gP Yev7mIdC/kFiUat4nusEslUrkyMv220W/E76DATicnUeCa+UwPw/bznoQBjYVPWYhNVd LO8b2dwnBVc96KFrhz5xCsgcLd/cWc0UVEORU= Received: by 10.220.89.132 with SMTP id e4mr86703vcm.46.1276371944529; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.69.146 with SMTP id z18ls287042vci.1.p; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.195 with SMTP id ex3mr326358vcb.1.1276371943662; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.195 with SMTP id ex3mr326357vcb.1.1276371943625; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g35si261705vck.13.2010.06.12.12.45.42; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so903304vws.19 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.80.105 with SMTP id s41mr1076704vck.52.1276371942393; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.12 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006121349.28817.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Libraries: attempted lujvo coinage From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64bd1823a48b40488da80b0 Content-Length: 8122 --0016e64bd1823a48b40488da80b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, I don't think the example needs {co}. It's a school type of library. We're talking about the library so it should be the last word of the tanru. From jbovlaste: Word: ckusro [jbovlaste] Type: lujvo Gloss Word: book collection Gloss Word: library in the sense of "collection of books" Definition: s1 is a library of books c1. What you're trying to say is that the library does contain a particular book right? So it makes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX). That was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}. I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of "book having" > that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any > thoughts? > > > mu'o mi'e latros. > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote: >> > why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and >> {ponse}. >> > {le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la } >> > >> > Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la } -> >> [something] >> > is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book . >> > >> > The second example there seems clunky to me. I think the base >> relationship >> > is {ponse} or something like it. >> >> I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cukta". >> >> Pierre >> -- >> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e64bd1823a48b40488da80b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I don't think the example needs {co}. =A0It's a school type of = library. =A0We're talking about the library so it should be the last wo= rd of the tanru.

From jbovlaste:
        Word: ckusro [jbovlaste]
        Type: lujvo
  Gloss Word: book collection
  Gloss Word: library in the sense of "=
;collection of books"
  Definition: s1 is a library of books c1.
What you're trying=
 to say is that the library does contain a particular book right?  So it ma=
kes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX).  T=
hat was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}.

I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Jo= hnson <blind= bravado@gmail.com> wrote:
claxu seems better than ponse at least...st= ill, the sort of "book having" that a library does still seems mo= re sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any thoughts?


mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote:
> why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {pon= se}.
> =A0{le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la <a particular book>}=
>
> Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la <a particular book>}= -> [something]
> is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book <a particular boo= k>.
>
> The second example there seems clunky to me. =A0I think the base relat= ionship
> is {ponse} or something like it.

I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cu= kta".

Pierre
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