Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ONXjT-0007WF-Dm; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:19 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9sf609016vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JIJwKVWOaWGwAFk/AcaZZYh7P3njBRKBujh3Fdv0tQ4=; b=UBXerjFTI/Qqe6h8ujemgRG5ah+f4rp5c2jkjMbPV96ksUFAOVaitmfRccpu6CgtLf B0J5N85ZcdMDfx5RT0BKYTNyJNSsK6Td3W6tOEW8CedYd7iR1XkWgC+zaSZ4TDUyZ8E5 qWMqNXEpXTO1S35+JmL9MO7YVynd9PRmRQVCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZndTVlXTtxjgC92F+k4fRoBn5QpjSJbYtilLNXvA2sJdKZKWMERzPTtKKT9nK4T06a 5arVEJwqslndWfbJpRwqUTKlwtEatLXbWnib00N7sw77vZxkOLWVLDRHMFlocnYF55VE YBT5v5T2jKG0cnp1seKmkwTvTHJONQJOuipZM= Received: by 10.220.125.16 with SMTP id w16mr90067vcr.6.1276376102301; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.151 with SMTP id e23ls301793vcm.2.p; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.197 with SMTP id ep5mr330135vcb.16.1276376101707; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.197 with SMTP id ep5mr330134vcb.16.1276376101663; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b16si276679vco.15.2010.06.12.13.55.00; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by mail-vw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 8so3499101vws.14 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.36.148 with SMTP id t20mr1394379qad.229.1276376100403; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.130.143 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006121349.28817.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Libraries: attempted lujvo coinage From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f99e488107a4f0488db782f Content-Length: 10599 --00c09f99e488107a4f0488db782f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 broda co brode == brode broda, though, as I understand it. It's just that using {co} makes it considerably easier to make {brode} be more complicated, using things like {be} and so on with fewer terminators. So here, something like {ckusro co ...} mu'o mi'e latros. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > No, I don't think the example needs {co}. It's a school type of library. > We're talking about the library so it should be the last word of the tanru. > > From jbovlaste: > > Word: ckusro [jbovlaste] > Type: lujvo > Gloss Word: book collection > Gloss Word: library in the sense of "collection of books" > Definition: s1 is a library of books c1. > > What you're trying to say is that the library does contain a particular book right? So it makes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX). That was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}. > > > I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though. > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of "book having" >> that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any >> thoughts? >> >> >> mu'o mi'e latros. >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote: >>> > why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and >>> {ponse}. >>> > {le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la } >>> > >>> > Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la } -> >>> [something] >>> > is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book . >>> > >>> > The second example there seems clunky to me. I think the base >>> relationship >>> > is {ponse} or something like it. >>> >>> I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cukta". >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00c09f99e488107a4f0488db782f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable broda co brode =3D=3D brode broda, though, as I understand it. It's jus= t that using {co} makes it considerably easier to make {brode} be more comp= licated, using things like {be} and so on with fewer terminators.

So= here, something like {ckusro co ...}

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Jun= 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
No, I don't think the example needs {co}. =A0It's a school type of = library. =A0We're talking about the library so it should be the last wo= rd of the tanru.

From jbovlaste:
        Word: ckusro [jbovl=
aste]
        Type: lujvo
  Gloss Word: book =
collection
  Gloss Word: library in =
the sense of "collection of books"
  Definition: s1 is a library of books c1.
What you're trying=
 to say is that the library does contain a particular book right?  So it ma=
kes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX).  T=
hat was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}.

I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though.

On Sa= t, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
=
claxu seems better than ponse at least...still= , the sort of "book having" that a library does still seems more = sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any thoughts?


mu'o mi'e latros.

=
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote:
> why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {pon= se}.
> =A0{le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la <a particular book>}=
>
> Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la <a particular book>}= -> [something]
> is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book <a particular boo= k>.
>
> The second example there seems clunky to me. =A0I think the base relat= ionship
> is {ponse} or something like it.

I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cu= kta".

Pierre
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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