Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ONaBs-000705-JH; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:45 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9sf657311vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lnyX3+yE7YmMXe7oQ24006Bf70XlHkI1l+b8GDQ6NmA=; b=rDWGhpAZDT1iioBS6oP/SFbJ37pBe+/rEo1jL/gQ04UKEfTVmCYeUglNLzOtfSBoNZ xY5KBopMwRG3Spn9aY3A3G5+m0835gOm1xM+bhgKmRMsU+RgUd6BTw/5spxLqYV6o1TV fTnAThuvbkMr36Rsx75txKFp1IXkv1wpnZ49U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rwLWo/udsDWX/6X7KBzvo7etKsvG2E2sp2X6bKBLaYFGct/vc5PSwMkfXUchTNbHRf Bno0OXTy0TvP1DJNWyXM7Ud5R6sLNM8F6obYIYN0jSYtzaODLrSqZv1+3xCFmrEhmNuh 7+kdTFEfNFgHNyj4CHecHHLw2A9zUHfN5CLdI= Received: by 10.220.124.96 with SMTP id t32mr88822vcr.50.1276385550170; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.48.72 with SMTP id q8ls333398vcf.4.p; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.10 with SMTP id ey10mr359365vcb.10.1276385549312; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.10 with SMTP id ey10mr359364vcb.10.1276385549270; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g35si310269vck.13.2010.06.12.16.32.28; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.43; Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so179282vws.30 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.124.153 with SMTP id u25mr1284347vcr.66.1276385548065; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.12 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006121349.28817.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:32:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Libraries: attempted lujvo coinage From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b14585305db30488ddab25 Content-Length: 12704 --001636b14585305db30488ddab25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right, but since I wanted to put internal tags on both words in the tanru {ckule be fo do} and {ckusro be la brodas}, there wasn't much point in putting one first over the other :) On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > broda co brode == brode broda, though, as I understand it. It's just that > using {co} makes it considerably easier to make {brode} be more complicated, > using things like {be} and so on with fewer terminators. > > So here, something like {ckusro co ...} > > > mu'o mi'e latros. > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> No, I don't think the example needs {co}. It's a school type of library. >> We're talking about the library so it should be the last word of the tanru. >> >> From jbovlaste: >> >> Word: ckusro [jbovlaste] >> Type: lujvo >> Gloss Word: book collection >> Gloss Word: library in the sense of "collection of books" >> Definition: s1 is a library of books c1. >> >> What you're trying to say is that the library does contain a particular book right? So it makes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX). That was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}. >> >> >> I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of "book having" >>> that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any >>> thoughts? >>> >>> >>> mu'o mi'e latros. >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> > why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and >>>> {ponse}. >>>> > {le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la } >>>> > >>>> > Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la } -> >>>> [something] >>>> > is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book . >>>> > >>>> > The second example there seems clunky to me. I think the base >>>> relationship >>>> > is {ponse} or something like it. >>>> >>>> I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cukta". >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> -- >>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636b14585305db30488ddab25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right, but since I wanted to put internal tags on both words in the tanru {= ckule be fo do} and {ckusro be la brodas}, there wasn't much point in p= utting one first over the other :)

On Sat= , Jun 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
broda co brode =3D=3D brode broda, though, = as I understand it. It's just that using {co} makes it considerably eas= ier to make {brode} be more complicated, using things like {be} and so on w= ith fewer terminators.

So here, something like {ckusro co ...}


mu'o mi'e latros.

=
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
No, I don't think the example needs {co}. =A0It's a school type of = library. =A0We're talking about the library so it should be the last wo= rd of the tanru.

From jbovlaste:
        Word: ckusro [jbovl=
aste]
        Type: lujvo
  Gloss Word: book =
collection
  Gloss Word: library in =
the sense of "collection of books"
  Definition: s1 is a library of books c1.
What you're trying=
 to say is that the library does contain a particular book right?  So it ma=
kes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX).  T=
hat was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}.

I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though.

On Sat, Jun 12, 20= 10 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wro= te:
<= /div>
claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of "= ;book having" that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro than a= nything. Any thoughts?


mu'o mi'e latros.

=
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote:
> why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {pon= se}.
> =A0{le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la <a particular book>}=
>
> Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la <a particular book>}= -> [something]
> is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book <a particular boo= k>.
>
> The second example there seems clunky to me. =A0I think the base relat= ionship
> is {ponse} or something like it.

I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cu= kta".

Pierre
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