Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ONaIS-0007Fe-8t; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:45 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9sf658620vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5MAmpWzVpbPs9Nsx0gxWmVtK72iCBDByd1VitSo9Qp8=; b=4xO72ESjPzgk39eUYYgQ9PCULvf/kiOF+N+8A+gp7DxfiZWpJ1E8Sk3F+unO+ZGjXr 6C2RIZirfKqTMQtaj2kBHYtJObetQQaHfeyYri4WiKL7DHBhquFRMvIguAUNa/3JE/Sj GPpLwGQ2RLZkE+qcjdoPZ3yuvN1W4K+fDKMhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JcUhonfxci4wVtVzeG9ClT2dVrnQ0oW1N69zEUKBupzgezHqtwJeZLPadqTpppSpTg NCfJxvJHIuOlCwvAp8gEHm/UKQGiUdb2gnEymDPvT/T8mARRASjYWMCdmEeG/ATJIqCy 5F/K0Z9EqM5BkvoUAcrYUVaoJzJz5NSnq3g/k= Received: by 10.220.124.99 with SMTP id t35mr87143vcr.37.1276385959007; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.48.72 with SMTP id q8ls334752vcf.4.p; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.194 with SMTP id ex2mr358557vcb.8.1276385957791; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.194 with SMTP id ex2mr358556vcb.8.1276385957752; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a5si311456vco.14.2010.06.12.16.39.16; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 4so1497128vws.21 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.96.229 with SMTP id i37mr1399911qan.270.1276385956492; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.130.143 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006121349.28817.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Libraries: attempted lujvo coinage From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9721d588787e0488ddc3fd Content-Length: 14626 --00c09f9721d588787e0488ddc3fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah yes, I see. mu'o mi'e latros. On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Right, but since I wanted to put internal tags on both words in the tanru > {ckule be fo do} and {ckusro be la brodas}, there wasn't much point in > putting one first over the other :) > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> broda co brode == brode broda, though, as I understand it. It's just that >> using {co} makes it considerably easier to make {brode} be more complicated, >> using things like {be} and so on with fewer terminators. >> >> So here, something like {ckusro co ...} >> >> >> mu'o mi'e latros. >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> No, I don't think the example needs {co}. It's a school type of library. >>> We're talking about the library so it should be the last word of the tanru. >>> >>> From jbovlaste: >>> >>> Word: ckusro [jbovlaste] >>> Type: lujvo >>> Gloss Word: book collection >>> Gloss Word: library in the sense of "collection of books" >>> Definition: s1 is a library of books c1. >>> >>> What you're trying to say is that the library does contain a particular book right? So it makes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX). That was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}. >>> >>> >>> I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of "book >>>> having" that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro than anything. Any >>>> thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e latros. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>> > why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and >>>>> {ponse}. >>>>> > {le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la } >>>>> > >>>>> > Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la } -> >>>>> [something] >>>>> > is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book >>>> book>. >>>>> > >>>>> > The second example there seems clunky to me. I think the base >>>>> relationship >>>>> > is {ponse} or something like it. >>>>> >>>>> I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cukta". >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00c09f9721d588787e0488ddc3fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yes, I see.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Luke Bergen <<= a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Right, but since = I wanted to put internal tags on both words in the tanru {ckule be fo do} a= nd {ckusro be la brodas}, there wasn't much point in putting one first = over the other :)

On Sat, Ju= n 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
=
broda co brode =3D=3D brode broda, though, as = I understand it. It's just that using {co} makes it considerably easier= to make {brode} be more complicated, using things like {be} and so on with= fewer terminators.

So here, something like {ckusro co ...}


mu'o mi'e latros.

=
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeaber= gen@gmail.com> wrote:
=
No, I don't think the example needs {co}. =A0It's a school type of = library. =A0We're talking about the library so it should be the last wo= rd of the tanru.

From jbovlaste:
        Word: ckusro [jbovl=
aste]
        Type: lujvo
  Gloss Word: book =
collection
  Gloss Word: library in =
the sense of "collection of books"
  Definition: s1 is a library of books c1.
What you're trying=
 to say is that the library does contain a particular book right?  So it ma=
kes sense that you could just say that it is not a (library with bookX).  T=
hat was the basis for {na'e ckusro be la brodas}.

I like Pierre's {claxu} idea better though.

On Sat, Jun 12, 20= 10 at 1:56 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wro= te:
=
claxu seems better than ponse at least...still, the sort of= "book having" that a library does still seems more sorcu/nalsro = than anything. Any thoughts?


mu'o mi'e latros.

=
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 17:04:41 Luke Bergen wrote:
> why not just use {ckusro} (which already exists in jbovlaste) and {pon= se}.
> =A0{le mi ckule ckusro cu na'e ponse la <a particular book>}=
>
> Or {ckule be fo mi be'o na ckusro be la <a particular book>}= -> [something]
> is a school of me type of [NOT] library with book <a particular boo= k>.
>
> The second example there seems clunky to me. =A0I think the base relat= ionship
> is {ponse} or something like it.

I'd say "le mi balcu'e ckusro cu claxu le rodbo'e cu= kta".

Pierre
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