Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWDwh-0005Z7-B6; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:47 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf2134397pwi.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=qnI/SNHulvCt59/+R5XuIMxBn1w2osvaJLP8CSbRzgA=; b=x6YTQ68LXDLo+NdLdHXEuoQzmuqgHXKAVGXUo/1lSgEufuWiV27ddE54jxexiWU2RG CKy7LTFpDsfQYB9BoaKJC41zp2CBbfsb/3QN3MFz2btXItbkepToJ0BzEBDP+cWvtsJn kSfxyU7628yRvbM1o0t1lrH4nImgwMk0JwRZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=d7eSrar22Xy+fBQYaFqkfshD1KDIJYL1AiqqTLO+0gtBJKROORgYQIppgWBOHdAhuZ tOIXHnmZwTA5YCi+t1NtASLdB8YAK8i0CGhDWUBSfFUP4WaLFNZff/NCbcU4QV2m3l1X DhqK/svvAbLRQdLSjB+I4tFHs64nZdAto6O0E= Received: by 10.142.61.21 with SMTP id j21mr328597wfa.15.1278444996078; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.21.24 with SMTP id y24ls1832545wfi.1.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.18 with SMTP id n18mr1070447wfd.35.1278444995182; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.18 with SMTP id n18mr1070446wfd.35.1278444995161; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s9si5131839rvl.0.2010.07.06.12.36.34; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: error (google.com: error in processing during lookup of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWDwX-0005Yl-Pn for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:36:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:36:33 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo do ckiku ma zvati Message-ID: <20100706193633.GE1443@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=temperror (google.com: error in processing during lookup of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org: DNS timeout) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1619 On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 10:42:24AM -0600, Alan Post wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 05:48:32PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > 4. What's with all the {cu} and {vau}? Seems unnecessarily > > complicated. > > On IRC, I was told (I think by xorxes) that it is standard > procedure to teach newbies all the elidable terminators and only > after practicing with them begin to practice without them. > > It didn't quite fit my own intuition, but I was trying to adopt > the best practice we've discovered for teaching Lojban. I'm happy > to discuss this. It may turn out there isn't concensus on which > is best. You know, it occurs to me that *even if* that's the best pedagogical solution, it's still wrong for WAYK. The point of WAYK is to teach the language as it is actually spoken, is it not? I have never said {le pendo ku klama le zarci ku vau} in my life, and never will; that's not the language as it's actually used, so WAYK shouldn't be teaching it. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.