Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWE3o-0007q9-K3; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:44:14 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf2135879pwi.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=evhrEJbqlFgqWXvs9IooStzFHWU+AJgV+mKwlvrjVvw=; b=nmpqd+ziegW2b5c0MFdMQpsyR8QmlrLt9+C1N5Tj3OLCqi0+pON2S89FNDJDepZXhA 7YTv9n6Bu9e7oI+5BzefYgR0yKVLgT9ncdJPccs0WAs+nt3Ch2+5DHNKJwaFd53zvfGT tbcLXF6xqicvPwHfrYMgoS2I8NohCEB9JpjAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=VbNHHvowu7MvWkIF38fprgTl1wh6AEce3Cp4QM5SLj0aJ1VnFczql75VLXyBi7jeMT Pk9SojEn7RgNS01JMZnji/Fj98fp97aJl8LG9xRy3SAWMvG9S3BQmibXBV/ceX3O6F9i vqWf+0741I9DjNGs1tAxcVW30DPKLtvXDBb60= Received: by 10.115.101.15 with SMTP id d15mr451407wam.0.1278445437312; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.114.204.17 with SMTP id b17ls4043173wag.1.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.53.1 with SMTP id b1mr1013739waa.28.1278445436670; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.53.1 with SMTP id b1mr1013738waa.28.1278445436650; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f180.google.com (mail-pv0-f180.google.com [74.125.83.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r11si5148769waj.0.2010.07.06.12.43.54; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=74.125.83.180; Received: by pvg12 with SMTP id 12so2934334pvg.39 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.184.19 with SMTP id h19mr1951807waf.70.1278445432657; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k23sm86928013waf.17.2010.07.06.12.43.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:43:49 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo do ckiku ma zvati Message-ID: <20100706194349.GE31169@alice.local> References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> <20100706193633.GE1443@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100706193633.GE1443@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1583 On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 12:36:33PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 10:42:24AM -0600, Alan Post wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 05:48:32PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > 4. What's with all the {cu} and {vau}? Seems unnecessarily > > > complicated. > > > > On IRC, I was told (I think by xorxes) that it is standard > > procedure to teach newbies all the elidable terminators and only > > after practicing with them begin to practice without them. > > > > It didn't quite fit my own intuition, but I was trying to adopt > > the best practice we've discovered for teaching Lojban. I'm happy > > to discuss this. It may turn out there isn't concensus on which > > is best. > > You know, it occurs to me that *even if* that's the best pedagogical > solution, it's still wrong for WAYK. > > The point of WAYK is to teach the language as it is actually spoken, > is it not? I have never said {le pendo ku klama le zarci ku vau} in > my life, and never will; that's not the language as it's actually > used, so WAYK shouldn't be teaching it. > This makes perfect sense to me. I will revert the use of all elidable terminators in the Lojban USC. -Alan -- ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.