Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZGWX-0008Ha-3D; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:58:20 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf1021024gxk.16 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:58:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=/PLucR4sg3v4/HHYOF+X0UTNZjXpdgzH51axhi2hAsI=; b=yagxWcI2WMnQXHzzrZRUeUyWmNeWLriUDM1PbJ3AgkDcQg/C4VGRqdkpTPWaA0uoyo Ca/BsFdv3wWETBDitzZ1GF/0OUhknhb+PHTkuYjW7tKpsNErYiz8vi45Zye8WN7dOB2d wSm6eW2/+R+78BxO/05VR2X84GYp/BbVYwXvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=UpSM+nsmiuG5H8uU7AMqJb+h418uW+dZUMOoPCIq91kzTzFagHpYXJuYAio4uAJnWE wCuXMY2iHhPp1iHG+YkI8qQmMrKs8loiQHE1y/tTEtJ/CuWc9Zlvzj1/YX4eW4LP5ig5 NcI2s6kROT3O0ofzi4jkhuZuN2kb3J3hoAol4= Received: by 10.91.59.11 with SMTP id m11mr2558527agk.4.1279169856390; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.125.77 with SMTP id x13ls2055174ibr.1.p; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.70 with SMTP id o6mr2524673ibd.3.1279169855528; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.70 with SMTP id o6mr2524672ibd.3.1279169855497; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id db12si425538ibb.5.2010.07.14.21.57.35; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=B1S4gcJ7/qX6XItvAdFlJgXQP7NT4S8h1FnR1xTKupA= c=1 sm=0 a=H2UA4OBx0QYA:10 a=hO-oPbc3tlwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=EflGV8V1EpQCRxyLHaYA:9 a=SKz2PmXGWFlQk5YnA1fSMmLkhAsA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=OWfASraOuTNm7-K8:21 a=G9GmRIMxOtL2edW8:21 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:54030] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 1E/B7-10741-E359E3C4; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681CD10C91 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Confusion involving lo and loi Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:57:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <5049ef0d-6c81-402b-b75c-5dec9601e273@x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5049ef0d-6c81-402b-b75c-5dec9601e273@x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007150057.30987.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1499 On Wednesday 14 July 2010 19:54:57 la nub wrote: > coi. I'm currently learning Lojban from "Lojban For Beginners." I was > doing the exercises at the end of chapter 4 and I translated "One in > three women like David Bowie" to "pafi'uci lo ninmu cu nelci la deivyd > bo,is." However in the answer key stated "pafi'uci LOI ninmu cu nelci > la deivyd bo,is." to be the correct answer. > > Why loi? Wouldn't that mean that 1 in 3 GROUPS of women like him? Why > not just use lo? After all, women are capable of liking by > themselves. .uanai. Consider the statement "ci lo ninmu cu nelci la deivyd.bo,is". The number of women who like David Bowie is 3. If "pafi'uci lo ninmu cu co'e", the number of women who like him is 1/3. Which third of her likes him? The brain and arms, the torso, or the legs? "ci loi ninmu cu nelci la deivyd.bo,is" means that three groups of women like him. So "pafi'uci loi ninmu cu co'e" means that one-third of a group of women does. This is the meaning you want: one in three women is one-third of a group of women. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.