Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZGab-0007wG-BC; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:02:35 -0700 Received: by pzk26 with SMTP id 26sf51161pzk.16 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x+mkii9187DHbu8Dhm4WLhAo9GYa468hQU/j8nikqTs=; b=VmndiIatN1/hVDh2s6aLH9IuijkRpp6Yq9TLd0JFvL4/rhbBLbPmYUgyin4lZ8RTxQ T14nhJ6YiXwcU3Ni2PNDQmFuL7ldLBl+T8GOHuoBDDFdCmWHvjYFJYQvYJHcJaE2n8LI LnZE62Hsmj9G0k8qoXuXdlBYMwU9Noh/3kJQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KnFeXXyCbvQGvCTi5wQjDJVSvVtuzLGU6i9SK9qdHYpKBpZF4qy44C6ivwo+JORjD/ qJ1iNDh0VFdt+BV/YgYG58zzvppyylHpvzHwz8bgjzoexOOosv1Xa7/HoVhG1o6YCZGw sXnd5KSnpILNshmuLockehlVo+OtaJMoWdccs= Received: by 10.142.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr1186564wfd.48.1279170109834; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.87.7 with SMTP id p7ls8321861wfl.2.p; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.132.18 with SMTP id f18mr2114010wfd.42.1279170109008; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.132.18 with SMTP id f18mr2114008wfd.42.1279170108949; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b1si784577rvn.6.2010.07.14.22.01.47; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Received: by mail-pz0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 26so149013pzk.33 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.148.2 with SMTP id v2mr22959595wfd.205.1279170106678; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.231.5 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:01:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5049ef0d-6c81-402b-b75c-5dec9601e273@x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com> References: <5049ef0d-6c81-402b-b75c-5dec9601e273@x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:01:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Confusion involving lo and loi From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3289cd15bda048b65ff2e Content-Length: 4415 --000e0cd3289cd15bda048b65ff2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Even if {lo ninmu} refers to multiple women, they are each considered individually. {pa fi'u ci lo ninmu} therefore means "one third of each woman". {loi ninmu} considers the entirety of what is being specified as one unit, a group. {pa fi'u ci loi ninmu} means "one-third of a group of women". On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, la nub wrote: > coi. I'm currently learning Lojban from "Lojban For Beginners." I was > doing the exercises at the end of chapter 4 and I translated "One in > three women like David Bowie" to "pafi'uci lo ninmu cu nelci la deivyd > bo,is." However in the answer key stated "pafi'uci LOI ninmu cu nelci > la deivyd bo,is." to be the correct answer. > > Why loi? Wouldn't that mean that 1 in 3 GROUPS of women like him? Why > not just use lo? After all, women are capable of liking by > themselves. .uanai. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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{loi ninmu} considers the entirety of what is being spe= cified as one unit, a group. {pa fi'u ci loi ninmu} means "one-thi= rd of a group of women".




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mu'o mi'= e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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