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Seriously, nice work guys. I can remember times where I've logged on and
seen people learn 90% of the grammar in like 3 days thanks to your
work/lessons.

ta'o.  Wave has always been slow/ugly IMO.  Has there been any talk of
turning the lessons into either a shared public google doc or even a full
blown wiki page?

On Jul 6, 2010 8:11 PM, "Lindar" <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

While I would like to take some credit, I really should redirect the
spotlight to xalbo and kribacr. I think they've been the drive behind
the new teaching methods this whole time, and they've certainly made a
dent in both modern vernacular and improving teaching methods. When
teaching, I tend to loosely follow the methods that were outlined by
these two, blended in a bit with my own preference and the wisdom of
the elder Lojbanists.

Also, thank you to everybody that got SmartFM up and running. I wish I
had the patience to finish those audio files! It's a really great
resource, and helps me with my vocabulary.

By the way, I know there are a lot more people out there that don't
know about IRC or the Wave lessons. Let's spread the word, or create
some kind of medium to allow a wider audience to reach these updated
lessons.

Good job to all of you, and keep up the good work.


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<p>Seriously, nice work guys. I can remember times where I&#39;ve logged on=
 and seen people learn 90% of the grammar in like 3 days thanks to your wor=
k/lessons.</p>
<p>ta&#39;o.=A0 Wave has always been slow/ugly IMO.=A0 Has there been any t=
alk of turning the lessons into either a shared public google doc or even a=
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<p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 6, 2010 8:11 PM, &quot;Lindar&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@yahoo.com">lindarthebard@yahoo.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br>While I would like to take some credit, I really should redi=
rect the<br>

spotlight to xalbo and kribacr. I think they&#39;ve been the drive behind<b=
r>
the new teaching methods this whole time, and they&#39;ve certainly made a<=
br>
dent in both modern vernacular and improving teaching methods. When<br>
teaching, I tend to loosely follow the methods that were outlined by<br>
these two, blended in a bit with my own preference and the wisdom of<br>
the elder Lojbanists.<br>
<br>
Also, thank you to everybody that got SmartFM up and running. I wish I<br>
had the patience to finish those audio files! It&#39;s a really great<br>
resource, and helps me with my vocabulary.<br>
<br>
By the way, I know there are a lot more people out there that don&#39;t<br>
know about IRC or the Wave lessons. Let&#39;s spread the word, or create<br=
>
some kind of medium to allow a wider audience to reach these updated<br>
lessons.<br>
<br>
Good job to all of you, and keep up the good work.<br>
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