Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWINR-0002ei-TH; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:41 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf2194765pwi.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=AzFop7LoEE7y3Hg8rx8QfM2jUxaY+vdWgvz3kw0WcsQ=; b=q07lO7dTQGyCyUu7Qdipp7qAf4sXZMiqEAevXW+FfPuXWsU73Gp1oJ7ee4C4Kb7xZy vfCLO04dDLy7B4Aqn4j4r1UDDSejSpiS0TOD6wB6jEc+sI7rPVHNOxAVs3H2AszViViD nQFcbmRaHqr2GQcXOklGM1iqJ/GsLiQqFnSDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Tcqml5Rqjbk/7K/++PHWpj6LVfxVFAwsdqKwMS2Z3QzwVj8A6aXvvDlKOzhmJmkBQO esGcXQJfVu4pCGcjgIpdg26ekV5uWZUUU8lexKg99EQW4yP7qBl1pJZlFECKfaz8sYCf /gaXEPx1g74ZYyo1rVaHAF8ZwXwMpX5deJBTI= Received: by 10.143.21.29 with SMTP id y29mr357513wfi.2.1278462028303; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.24.6 with SMTP id b6ls7044567wfj.0.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.4 with SMTP id n4mr175936wfd.47.1278462027740; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.4 with SMTP id n4mr175935wfd.47.1278462027715; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si5369871wff.7.2010.07.06.17.20.27; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWING-0002eP-BW for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:20:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:20:26 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo do ckiku ma zvati Message-ID: <20100707002026.GJ1443@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> <20100706193633.GE1443@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706194349.GE31169@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1469 On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 05:06:25PM -0700, Lindar wrote: > In fact, most of the new generation -does- speak that way ({.i lo > brode ku broda}) just so the newer students will see terminators > being used. We tend to actively discourage the use of {cu} unless > it's allowing elision of two or more terminators, because then > students start to internalise {cu} as English "is" or "am", and > then you start seeing confused newbies That's an interesting argument; missed that on my first read. > that don't actually know how to terminate that say things like {mi > cu dunda zo'e zo'e} (I have actually seen stuff like this). 1. I don't see how that use of {cu} has anything to do with thinking of {cu} as the copula. 2. That example looks perfectly valid to me except for the extra {cu}. Am I missing something? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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