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de'i li 06 pi'e 07 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Lindar .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
> ... and then you start seeing confused newbies that don't actually know how
> to terminate that say things like {mi cu dunda zo'e zo'e} (I have actually
> seen stuff like this).
.skamyxatra

"{mi cu dunda}" is actually perfectly grammatically correct.  (It's
unnecessarily verbose and arguably bad style, but if that's your sole objection
to it, you might want to look in the mirror.)  "{cu}" means "the {bridi}'s main
{selbri} starts here," which implies the termination of anything before it,
rather than termination being the primary concept and the main {selbri} aspect
secondary.  The only (non-obvious) grammatical restriction on "{cu}" is that it
must be preceded by at least one term in the sentence, where a "term" can be a
{sumti} (including descriptor {sumti} and pro-{sumti}), a termset, a {sumti}
tagged with a {sumti tcita}, a bare BAI KU, a NA KU, or even a FA KU.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

-- 
lo paroi cumki cu rere'u cumki

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