Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OXNUM-0008Kd-A2; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:00:17 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf4197379gxk.16 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=lgUGLqZ+zYm3gTBARHkhjq6jadmkOsfQIAez71/sRlE=; b=naLayHG9gjz0yOuO7/OemRI1YGTXjFQlAufoCfTS8aEnT09WLmE1Sd++tWLh2bzdgd FUGCIBs01vxt/BLpwuIJO1PQUgEQePMygKRxWJ3FLgc/3g7oTYB7o3yqYEqxtoRCMzNN 7HyJRFvHe34Npwa9jhiPcvo39fIWAHBWApzuc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=m4IPNrgs7RfygJhyzfVexy16ekVB0JScwuwS+hRZRljWgnWBAuLrnkHi9ZGkGblUW9 q7pjks76Nbne6xhBicTXFGfAwq+vT++uNRQ3/ebNUlHYhWZ3EPU7lKGAo5A2VRwicydB fO4GQ35m+PDVQoVHfd3/+7Fu/3ipTIEnxiu0g= Received: by 10.90.67.7 with SMTP id p7mr1341510aga.30.1278719968202; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:59:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls399933ibg.3.p; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr1388436ibx.8.1278719967226; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr1388435ibx.8.1278719967202; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si983527ibk.3.2010.07.09.16.59.27; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zm4a_-TfF0kA:10 a=mI6YO6ZdSLUA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=oAXSuXxNDQfp4uncQH0A:9 a=FF5PsWgeVSZWtb3-m2CfWFyBcgYA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:33313] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 01/A8-05585-ED7B73C4; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:59:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E3C6117 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Tap 'r' Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:59:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <074b0346-e557-488b-9d69-d1a45146206d@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <074b0346-e557-488b-9d69-d1a45146206d@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007091959.20585.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1163 On Friday 09 July 2010 15:55:16 Tizz wrote: > Is it okay to make 'r' into a tap rather than an apprixamant? I > just think a tap if more beautiful. Take for example karce. /ka=C9=BE=CA= =83=C9=9B/ > is way more beautiful than /ka=C9=B9=CA=83=C9=9B/. Sometimes when I pron= ounce it > with a an approximant i end up pronouncing it as /k=C9=91=CB=9E =CA=83=C9= =9B/ which is > really ugly IMO. I always pronounce "r" as a tap, flap, or trill, except when it's syllabic = or=20 preceded by 'x' ("xr" comes out as a voiceless simultaneous trill and gargl= e,=20 so it's still trilled, and "xrx" - well that would take too long to explain= =20 and ...) or in a foreign name. It is quite okay to pronounce it as a tap. Pierre --=20 lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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