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On Saturday 07 August 2010 11:36:35 Alexander Simard wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> A few days ago, I learned about the lojban language, and thought it
> was the coolest thing ever. I am now determined to become completely
> fluent.
>
> I am confused by the phonetics, however.
>
> I have read this page http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LojbanPronunciation
> to understand the phonetics of lojban, but I am still confused by the
> phonemes of several letters. I was hoping this group could clear up my
> questions. Is there anywhere a definitive and correct guide to
> pronounciation? the letters a, o, r, s, t, x and y still confuse me.
>
> Thanks to anyone who reads or answers to this for your time and help.

One can be completely fluent in a language despite a noticeable accent, and=
=20
having attended a few jbonunsla, I know there's a variety of accents among=
=20
Lojban speakers. I know a man from Brazil who came to the US at the age of =
5=20
and learned Spanish as an adult. Spanish and Portuguese are almost identica=
l=20
grammatically and share much vocabulary, so it didn't take him long to beco=
me=20
fluent; but he often doesn't roll "rr", nasalizes vowels, and sometimes mix=
es=20
words in the two languages.

My own pronunciation is like this: a, o, s, and t are as in Spanish. (My=20
mother is from El Salvador, so I know a fair bit of Spanish.) r is also as =
in=20
Spanish when in any environment that occurs in Spanish, except that Lojban=
=20
doesn't distinguish r from rr (Spanish does, but only between vowels), so=
=20
in "slari" it may be rolled, but is normally tapped. y is a schwa, and the=
=20
vowel in "run" I'd take as y too. The allophone of o is unrounded o, which=
=20
isn't in my phoneme inventory.

r between consonants or next to x, and x, are a bit more complicated.=20
In "fonxa" I pronounce the n as =C5=8B, and the x as [=C3=A7], resulting in=
 [f=C9=94=C5=8B=C3=A7a].=20
[=C3=A7] cannot be mistaken for /h/, which occurs only between vowels. rx I=
=20
pronounce as two distinct sounds, but xr as a simultaneous uvular-lingual=
=20
trill which starts being voiced partway through. (le xruki le ginxre xrixru=
ba=20
xu xrula cu xrani?) In the contrived word "rirxrxrazdani" (is a certain riv=
er=20
in Armenia), I keep the same simultaneous trill, switching the voice on and=
=20
off. Vocalic r in other environments (e.g. fiprgado, but not spatrxapio) I=
=20
pronounce pretty much as in English "butterfly". In "spatrxapio" the r come=
s=20
out as a single tap (as in Spanish tres) followed by =CA=91 used as a vowel=
.

The online version of the Book uses characters that don't look like IPA,=20
unless you're using a certain font, which I don't have.

Pierre
--=20
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.

--=20
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