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It's not exactly technically correct (their is a little more variety in how
each letter can be pronounced).  But for starting out the guide for vowels
in "Lojban for Beginners" works well for all English speakers.
http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1.html

You should be able to pronounce the s and t as you normally do, I don't
think that is much of a problem.
You have the option of making your normal r sound, or rolling it if you
like.
x is difficult for English speakers.  If you find a video in lojban with
lojban subtitles so you can pick out the pronunciation that might help you
understand it.

I think reading the section on pronunciation out of The Complete Lojban
Language is very useful.
http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html

The official guide (strait out of The Complete Lojban Language) is this, bu=
t
unless you fluent in this technical jargon it's not very helpful, unless yo=
u
want to try to look it up online.

    '   [h]        a unvoiced glottal spirant
    ,   ---     the syllable separator
    .   [/]        a glottal stop or a pause
    a   [a], [A]  an open vowel
    b   [b]        a voiced bilabial stop
    c   [S], [=A7]  an unvoiced coronal sibilant
    d   [d]        a voiced dental/alveolar stop
    e   [E], [e]  a front mid vowel
    f   [f], [=B8]  an unvoiced labial fricative
    g   [g]        a voiced velar stop
    i   [i]        a front close vowel
    j   [Z],[=BD]       a voiced coronal sibilant
    k   [k]        an unvoiced velar stop
    l   [l], [l`] a voiced lateral approximant
                    (may be syllabic)
    m   [m], [m`] a voiced bilabial nasal
                    (may be syllabic)
    n   [n], [n`],    a voiced dental or velar nasal
          [N], [N`]       (may be syllabic)
    o   [o], []   a back mid vowel
    p   [p]        an unvoiced bilabial stop
    r   [r], [=A8], [R], [{], a rhotic sound
          [r`], [=A8`], [R`], [{`]
    s   [s]        an unvoiced alveolar sibilant
    t   [t]        an unvoiced dental/alveolar stop
    u   [u]        a back close vowel
    v   [v], [B]  a voiced labial fricative
    x   [x]        an unvoiced velar fricative
    y   [=AB]        a central mid vowel
    z   [z]        a voiced alveolar sibilant





On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Alexander Simard <alesimar@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> Hello everyone,
>
> A few days ago, I learned about the lojban language, and thought it
> was the coolest thing ever. I am now determined to become completely
> fluent.
>
> I am confused by the phonetics, however.
>
> I have read this page http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LojbanPronunciation
> to understand the phonetics of lojban, but I am still confused by the
> phonemes of several letters. I was hoping this group could clear up my
> questions. Is there anywhere a definitive and correct guide to
> pronounciation? the letters a, o, r, s, t, x and y still confuse me.
>
> Thanks to anyone who reads or answers to this for your time and help.
>
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It&#39;s not exactly technically correct (their is a little more variety in=
 how each letter can be pronounced).=A0 But for starting out the guide for =
vowels in &quot;Lojban for Beginners&quot; works well for all English speak=
ers. <a href=3D"http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/les=
s1.html">http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1.html=
</a><br>
<br>You should be able to pronounce the s and t as you normally do, I don&#=
39;t think that is much of a problem.<br>You have the option of making your=
 normal r sound, or rolling it if you like.<br>x is difficult for English s=
peakers.=A0 If you find a video in lojban with lojban subtitles so you can =
pick out the pronunciation that might help you understand it.<br>
<br>I think reading the section on pronunciation out of The Complete Lojban=
 Language is very useful.<br><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/publications/=
reference_grammar/chapter3.html">http://www.lojban.org/publications/referen=
ce_grammar/chapter3.html</a><br>
<br>The official guide (strait out of The Complete Lojban Language) is this=
, but unless you fluent in this technical jargon it&#39;s not very helpful,=
 unless you want to try to look it up online.<br><pre><font style=3D"font-f=
amily: verdana,sans-serif;" size=3D"2">    &#39;   <span class=3D"c3">[h]</=
span>        a unvoiced glottal spirant<br>
    ,   ---     the syllable separator<br>    .   <span class=3D"c3">[/]</s=
pan>        a glottal stop or a pause<br>    a   <span class=3D"c3">[a]</sp=
an>, <span class=3D"c3">[A]</span>  an open vowel<br>    b   <span class=3D=
"c3">[b]</span>        a voiced bilabial stop<br>
    c   <span class=3D"c3">[S]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[=A7]</span>  an =
unvoiced coronal sibilant<br>    d   <span class=3D"c3">[d]</span>        a=
 voiced dental/alveolar stop<br>    e   <span class=3D"c3">[E]</span>, <spa=
n class=3D"c3">[e]</span>  a front mid vowel<br>
    f   <span class=3D"c3">[f]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[=B8]</span>  an =
unvoiced labial fricative<br>    g   <span class=3D"c3">[g]</span>        a=
 voiced velar stop<br>    i   <span class=3D"c3">[i]</span>        a front =
close vowel<br>
    j   <span class=3D"c3">[Z]</span>,<span class=3D"c3">[=BD]</span>      =
 a voiced coronal sibilant<br>    k   <span class=3D"c3">[k]</span>        =
an unvoiced velar stop<br>    l   <span class=3D"c3">[l]</span>, <span clas=
s=3D"c3">[l`]</span> a voiced lateral approximant<br>
                    (may be syllabic)<br>    m   <span class=3D"c3">[m]</sp=
an>, <span class=3D"c3">[m`]</span> a voiced bilabial nasal<br>            =
        (may be syllabic)<br>    n   <span class=3D"c3">[n]</span>, <span c=
lass=3D"c3">[n`]</span>,    a voiced dental or velar nasal<br>
          <span class=3D"c3">[N]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[N`]</span>    =
   (may be syllabic)<br>    o   <span class=3D"c3">[o]</span>, <span class=
=3D"c3">[]</span>   a back mid vowel<br>    p   <span class=3D"c3">[p]</spa=
n>        an unvoiced bilabial stop<br>
    r   <span class=3D"c3">[r]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[=A8]</span>, <sp=
an class=3D"c3">[R]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[{]</span>, a rhotic sound<b=
r>          <span class=3D"c3">[r`]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[=A8`]</span=
>, <span class=3D"c3">[R`]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[{`]</span><br>
    s   <span class=3D"c3">[s]</span>        an unvoiced alveolar sibilant<=
br>    t   <span class=3D"c3">[t]</span>        an unvoiced dental/alveolar=
 stop<br>    u   <span class=3D"c3">[u]</span>        a back close vowel<br=
>    v   <span class=3D"c3">[v]</span>, <span class=3D"c3">[B]</span>  a vo=
iced labial fricative<br>
    x   <span class=3D"c3">[x]</span>        an unvoiced velar fricative<br=
>    y   <span class=3D"c3">[=AB]</span>        a central mid vowel<br>    =
z   <span class=3D"c3">[z]</span>        a voiced alveolar sibilant</font><=
br></pre>
<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, =
Alexander Simard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alesimar@gmail.com=
">alesimar@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 20=
4, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
A few days ago, I learned about the lojban language, and thought it<br>
was the coolest thing ever. I am now determined to become completely<br>
fluent.<br>
<br>
I am confused by the phonetics, however.<br>
<br>
I have read this page <a href=3D"http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LojbanPronuncia=
tion" target=3D"_blank">http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LojbanPronunciation</a><=
br>
to understand the phonetics of lojban, but I am still confused by the<br>
phonemes of several letters. I was hoping this group could clear up my<br>
questions. Is there anywhere a definitive and correct guide to<br>
pronounciation? the letters a, o, r, s, t, x and y still confuse me.<br>
<br>
Thanks to anyone who reads or answers to this for your time and help.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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