Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OhtTY-0001PP-6M; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:56 -0700 Received: by yxj4 with SMTP id 4sf19644888yxj.16 for ; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GLhZplV+HrbvkBi+HHARZro2L7+34riQW6B7eao9xNQ=; b=IzQZeakULAncFj+KTncugWr0id0M5GKWvy9kgO0GbyF3SOZEFGh729cgP3qZ5jkeMq F04kOi9YON3iWbOI+TRtWD9hG7GFH/DxzZpwDOfzU0lM98BxBePt9zAQiJnDW36sLtIc kRBBlU32BoF6wwHVAg8DnA19vYO2793i8iPuQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=v34evC2Cl+BF/IT+ZbobvYyuuIejxwboMauLIjdPL8TohufYH79UmLD0Geg2ftG6Cp 0iDXcRHoQkF5Fdrni2zLuIC008lwvfFYQmzkWTDP35o/NY4+ChvrEFzG6tHEFUQ+yREm gzFWFkQkBCsOyigNm7cvvvaU+d81Cvs9GcDZg= Received: by 10.90.98.17 with SMTP id v17mr2592541agb.29.1281226216299; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.98 with SMTP id dt34ls1645817ibb.0.p; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.5.199 with SMTP id 7mr1388040icx.21.1281226215600; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.5.199 with SMTP id 7mr1388039icx.21.1281226215581; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si2042997ibb.6.2010.08.07.17.10.14; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by mail-iw0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 35so756912iwn.7 for ; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.60.7 with SMTP id n7mr16675867ibh.60.1281226214105; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.30.141 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:10:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 09:40:13 +0930 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban phonetics From: David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1514 coi aleksandr, On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Alexander Simard wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A few days ago, I learned about the lojban language, and thought it > was the coolest thing ever. I am now determined to become completely > fluent. > > I am confused by the phonetics, however. > > I have read this page http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LojbanPronunciation > to understand the phonetics of lojban, but I am still confused by the > phonemes of several letters. I was hoping this group could clear up my > questions. Is there anywhere a definitive and correct guide to > pronounciation? the letters a, o, r, s, t, x and y still confuse me. I learned my pronunciation mostly from listening from the speech samples in http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Parallel+2 (selecting '0' from it's menu gives you samples specifically to guide your pronunciation) That means I speak Lojban with a slight accent, but AFAICS it's within acceptable bounds. Griatch takes considerable care to enunciate words clearly and with correct emphasis, and was helped in this task by Xorxes, another long-time Lojbanist. a'o mi sidju -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.