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From: "H. Felton" To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: fagricipni@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1257 What is the best word for "humanoid"? ; it is the only concept that I know of where the gendered words are gismu but the non-gendered word is not. I've seen "jbire'a" and "remsmi" proposed. I don't see the difference in meaning between "jibni" and "simsa". I do have one minor issue with "remsmi": if I were to create a tanru for from "remna" and "simsa" for what I want to express I would use "simsa remna" because I want the meaning "x1 is a humanoid; (adjective:) x1 is humanoid." in analogy to "remna"'s "x1 is a human/human being/man (non-specific gender-free sense); (adjective:) x1 is human". I don't want to use a lujvo derived from the tanru "nanmu ja ninmu" or "ninmu ja nanmu" because "verba" includes the possibility of neuter children (though it would take a science-fictional context to have a neuter *person*; whereas a lujvo derived from; eg, "nixli ja nanla", would not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.