Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OrNnI-0001BV-31; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:22:31 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf161076pvc.16 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=2cXHQC2b/ReOiKWNRZnyv+w2+AgxmolpE6E5/IUxQWQ=; b=eyLEBEo07n9AHUSQrWcca+o4PuEWIGMk9mrVMcPY396i9Th+g/n7p9KBMBkkTZQ3Ar nya4syoCyKYM5iNOo3QoHW8lUc+nTS5aInJ6jkqj4n7oyT7ll4UkO7LK013WaCxqp/J4 SwDqNcJk3E5hld/8KpVupL/LrNllbh1IP4llg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=W8yS0wmFbNKWo3hMB89l+Zb+q0J3lMU2o7M1VZpplwI7dSn3ZYPcDBXK7kEsXv+a6B wX1IF09VtZkIHQ0XD761yCAnrJ96wvQfeW2hrA2+ZhSahEdokDo9ntR6FkBYcFiEbqPP HcQwB5HSqJSA3WYEt2PM3NlfPBAl/TlLapZLA= Received: by 10.115.39.8 with SMTP id r8mr9834waj.4.1283487713100; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls1661472wam.1.p; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.1 with SMTP id j1mr36044waa.31.1283487711983; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.1 with SMTP id j1mr36043waa.31.1283487711951; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d12si2800711wam.7.2010.09.02.21.21.51; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=I9jNt1nxKTH53gD05GkuyPyKRWwkJ+Ycr7TuPR2ubTA= c=1 sm=0 a=iYwq3wXgx0kA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=Wr6KoCodzhQ_v_mwr2QA:9 a=BO3vlwLxbXnSVpHBFExYQHATuj8A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:58052] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id BA/A1-06064-FD7708C4; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:21:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E975561CC for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] gismu as sumti Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 04:21:45 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <7a440812-3095-4b9a-a7f9-24b275fbcda0@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <7a440812-3095-4b9a-a7f9-24b275fbcda0@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009030421.46691.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1213 On Friday 03 September 2010 01:48:11 la nub wrote: > I'm back with another question. I'm very confused about what a gismu > means when it is converted into a sumti. For instance the gismu xebni. > Would "lo xebni" refer to one who hates, or hatred itself? Does "lo > rupnu" refer to monetary units like dollars, or to the worth of an > object? And what would something like "lo nenri" refer to? I can't > even have a guess at that one. > > Thanks in advance for your response : ) As Lindar said, "lo " always means something that fits x1 of . So: lo xebni = a hater lo rupnu = something whose value is measured in a monetary unit lo nenri = something that is inside To refer to a unit as such, I use "si'o": lo si'o snidu cu gradu tu'a lo sodnrcezi lo temci. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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