Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Os9Sl-0003JK-Es; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:16:30 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf331590pvc.16 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:16:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=lxrhPVHkIX/++zLu0RghUJpeDLG/Gtz4pLDulKGdgb0=; b=UnuNGKDK75q8OedNdtRswpHpNwqybro8JtHvPh2UBwt6DVQYJnXKHott2+COi2qYdQ XR9O4R30c11L6YDP/NHkAG+chBnLHKp5FcfaOgPjeUDv7F6Hnijj0k4YhPYO5eEGmV3Y RoEupd6xr62L0ZPG1bjLxFtiWffySSEIKRQZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=0BK+uLDV3AwyHpcDROv4b+Clj5IexYahPA/inkJwhmKKPvg5Awd0tZmYDeoTYkho4a P7eovuD4i8ANcGI6IgmbFg4ZW+dNdweznH9IYeimQAJg2KVdszYI6KHrcMGNMyH3d3Rq qBv5WUUa0Wutqo44ZCe9A00CLEI5aKD6jIxLs= Received: by 10.142.3.5 with SMTP id 5mr35869wfc.2.1283670957493; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls880218wff.3.p; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.73.6 with SMTP id v6mr309345wfa.21.1283670956601; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.73.6 with SMTP id v6mr309344wfa.21.1283670956576; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k9si1685220wfa.5.2010.09.05.00.15.55; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GEzFJpP6HXovyI85TcS9Ux7UhVlisfy/nbtVStNiOWY= c=1 sm=0 a=lRCiSURanbsA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=6PmP7b8IJgP9Or1av-IA:9 a=qNlzh8dgPL4sL9_VizkLj3F4o8EA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:52791] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 71/58-00327-BA3438C4; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 07:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9D1155E7 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 03:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 03:15:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: <201009042054.50156.jezuch@interia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009050315.52974.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1822 On Saturday 04 September 2010 14:54:45 Krzysztof Sobolewski wrote: > zo'o ko xamgu lo cnino jbopre > > (Is there a better word that I could use instead of "xamgu" here?) > > But first things first... > > mi'e la kcyctof. sobolefskis. no'u la iezux. > > I've been learning lojban quietly for some time now, but I finally realized > that learning a language without anyone to speak to is, well, silly ;) > Especially that I, just like every newbie, have some questions and I need > someone to answer them ;) So let me start with this one: > > What does actually "cilre" mean? > > The official definition is: > x1 learns x2 (du'u) about subject x3 from source x4 (obj./event) by method > x5 (event/process) > > But this looks very unlike "learn" as it is understood in my language (one > of the Slavic family ;) ) where you can learn something (or be learning > something) and that's it. The definition above seems to be "polluted" by > the English meaning of "learn", according to which you can say e.g. "I > learned today that the road is closed". I ask this mainly because this > makes me very uneasy when I say: > > mi cilre fi la lojban. > > Is it OK, or should I rather say: > > mi tadni la lojban. > > Or am I too picky? ;) Both are OK, as is "mi ctuca mi fo la lojban.", like Russian "uchitsya". Both "uc" in "ctuca" and "ci" in "cilre" are from the Russian word. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.