Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OsfsM-0008Ar-VT; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:53:06 -0700 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf1117933wyb.16 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cROlgF1mJO9/An100Jf3nwqq/ytLDjVfR4aEC065ZkA=; b=dMzPMbSWQieHEteDNermvNNBpqUjPrJdAp1XqTdEukodngPH3dRERyaWjpa7c1Z5Au JfFQ7nVgvOuE2VUdOkvzBoDsGhh8IYZ9x+K4GqOe1nwgRpEVlux22B/nOFA1BTHrtozA TL2Ub4wAEwvkrxKtgdnxbzukCK0+6A6Sk6zG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rUcZet/kgA0Y27JWy4+6jOHfzJQTdg1OP+AbHZz3cZDcMlXE3owHCEBxkCkJlsA70H 7VyCsoKdDqMYZubH4ZLavHVJv/VKRLzVSELM1kgXFiNpB6jRrdUc2iquRm3qf2P5dbRx kkNq64WtD5x4aB0YZXtSOVcK5TSPDYbBMdSQU= Received: by 10.216.144.25 with SMTP id m25mr662567wej.9.1283795552346; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.242.202 with SMTP id i52ls1800191wer.0.p; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.30.129 with SMTP id k1mr231272wea.6.1283795550945; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.30.129 with SMTP id k1mr231271wea.6.1283795550912; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k12si1912804weq.3.2010.09.06.10.52.29; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 21so6788951wya.2 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.21 with SMTP id u21mr183602wbw.56.1283795549218; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.203 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <67f1842f-5104-4f53-a3cb-8e27abdcc3b7@13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <20100906020707.GA36971@alice.local> <67f1842f-5104-4f53-a3cb-8e27abdcc3b7@13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:52:29 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pure-Lojban Dictionary definitions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1114 On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Lindar wrote: > I'm going to have to completely disagree with that definition. > {dunda} doesn't imply transfer of ownership, and that's exactly what > the lojban definition is saying. I think it was probably me that wrote the definition. I don't recall it specifically, but I think nobody else has entered Lojban-Lojban in jbovlaste. It's not clear to what extent "ponse" is restricted to ownership as opposed to other kinds of possesssion, but I would agee that "dunda" is more general. I will change "ponse" to "tolcau". It's a bit strange that Lojban lacks a basic word for such a concept as the opposite of "claxu", but I guess it's a matter of getting used to it. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.