Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Osy1w-0007WI-S2; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:16:20 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf478403pzk.16 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:16:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=3rAJh9EFk8rAbQJGN9bUK1CwV93Sb4KdKRaB5Vl6uUQ=; b=jAYp6mLCoctmJHwrKzB67bgjfFVuPMPKoSMXHSJm/ei91Q507xr+XQWtwon2JzAP3/ SClHmL6tG6XKh1shnits7K7QLIX/r7kefWmdG//wefzsttV9aXK+xNeC4snLuQdfHf19 0xho1SPGZtTWgOnrzBcfGXpMaQ6Id1FZ+wJws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=3ENtM/00S9JH6tHjKC9bvxpgkjrRcc4ZGsp4hxn6+QeQFmzScSqEhG0CfGLzVcffRs 9HtEmc/s9IkCt/f6PFsmNBDtPh8CBHpBFGsgorcdJCOqvTbzqHpXR0aZ/NuBvDbUN6qU rkjwWiDalh9ItFjhy7MwmacdaFrNeBG0OC/Ps= Received: by 10.142.3.21 with SMTP id 21mr87054wfc.29.1283865338579; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.117.2 with SMTP id p2ls339815wfc.1.p; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.193.11 with SMTP id q11mr939985wff.43.1283865336944; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.193.11 with SMTP id q11mr939984wff.43.1283865336921; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com (mail-pz0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k9si5165824wfa.1.2010.09.07.06.15.36; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.210.47; Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so1760250pzk.6 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with SMTP id j19mr1536479wad.170.1283865336450; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r37sm13503605wak.11.2010.09.07.06.15.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:15:33 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About reading speed of lojban text. Compared with natlang's text. Message-ID: <20100907131533.GD38255@alice.local> References: <59ca95ff-dab4-4899-97b6-d26dd2352de5@l20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59ca95ff-dab4-4899-97b6-d26dd2352de5@l20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 2568 I'll chime in with my novice experience reading (and particularly writing) Lojban. When writing Lojban, I'm inspired to add additional, clarifying details that I would not add to an English sentence. This makes my Lojban longer and presumably more precise. When speaking with people with more fluency in Lojban than I have, I've been surprised when they suggest something to me that I consider too imprecise--I suspect as my own comfort in Lojban increases the context I'm willing to assume while writing will tend more toward brevity than it currently does. -Alan On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 12:50:05PM -0700, spermwhale.warrior wrote: > Hi everyone ! > I'm not fluent in lojban at all, but I like study its linguistic > properties. > I wondered something ... With such an high syllables's rate (I ask the > rather fluent speakers/writers among us), comparing two short text, > with typical constructs we use every day, such as : comparatives, > conditionnals, vocatives, citations from someone else, simples logical > links between otherwise independent sentences. > One in lojban ... and one in english, or any langage you are the most > fluent in. > The two text written with the same look towards semantic details, > except when (whatever is considered as) evidents inferences from > context can be made. > > My question is the following : are you able, to read the lojban piece > of text speedier than or as speedily as the chosen natlang piece of > text ? > > Or not ? > > Does lojban's preciseness and accuracy towards semantic content of its > constructs make it inherently long-winded ? > > ps: I am fluent only in French, and as you know French guys are the > worst students in foreign languages of the EU. If you wince in reading > me, please remember it ! > > Thank you, Mehdi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.