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Gibbons" X-X-Sender: jonored@lazarus To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Temper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4C88FE19.3010505@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jonored@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jonored@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jonored@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Length: 1304 > I'm a little confused by what you mean by "temper". My first thoughts > when I hear the word are: 1) the personality trait. and 2) what one > does to metals. I've never heard of this third kind of "to temper" and I > don't see anything like it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temper It's essentially the same meaning; not sure whether the general use is metaphorically referring to the process with metals or the metal processing operation is just using a more generic term. "tempering" in the metal sense /is/ "restraining within due limits" the hardness of the metal, after a hardening operation. The general version is used something like "he tempered his anger with wisdom" or something like that. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/temper#Verb Dunno that milxe, as a tempered property isn't neccessarily /mild/ just /correct/, and a less strong implication that it reached that state from a more extreme one. -jonored -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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