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On Friday 10 September 2010 08:53:33 Oren wrote:
> How about
>
> { .i mi panzi bevri }
>
> to mean "I'm carrying, in an offspring kind of way"
>
> So then a possible lujvo could be something like
>
> pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;
> x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carried)
> x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)

One can carry an offspring to term, then carry it in a baby sling.=20
English "bear" and Tok Pisin "karim" imply that one is, or just was,=20
pregnant, but French "porter" and Spanish "traer" do not, and those languag=
es=20
use other words for "pregnant" and "bear". "vasru" is better than "bevri"=
=20
because the fetus is contained within the mother.

On Friday 10 September 2010 18:50:14 Lindar wrote:
> > pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;
> > x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carried)
> > x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)
>
> That would be {pazyselbei}.
> However, shouldn't it be {selpanzbei}?
> x1=3Dp2=3Db1 is pregnant with child x2=3Dp1=3Db2

Normally, the place structure of a lujvo is that of its last element (with=
=20
conversion prefixes), with insertions, deletions, or substitutions of place=
s=20
of the other elements. So "pazbei" has the same place structure as "bevri":=
=20
the mother carries the child. There's no need to add "sel" to=20
get "selpazbei", because the seltau and tertau of the underlying tanru can =
be=20
related in any way.

Pierre
--=20
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.

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