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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Friday 10 September 2010 08:53:33 Oren wrote:
> > How about
> >
> > { .i mi panzi bevri }
> >
> > to mean "I'm carrying, in an offspring kind of way"
> >
> > So then a possible lujvo could be something like
> >
> > pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;
> > x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carried)
> > x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)
>
> One can carry an offspring to term, then carry it in a baby sling.
> English "bear" and Tok Pisin "karim" imply that one is, or just was,
> pregnant, but French "porter" and Spanish "traer" do not, and those
> languages
> use other words for "pregnant" and "bear". "vasru" is better than "bevri"
> because the fetus is contained within the mother.
>
> On Friday 10 September 2010 18:50:14 Lindar wrote:
> > > pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;
> > > x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carried)
> > > x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)
> >
> > That would be {pazyselbei}.
> > However, shouldn't it be {selpanzbei}?
> > x1=3Dp2=3Db1 is pregnant with child x2=3Dp1=3Db2
>
> Normally, the place structure of a lujvo is that of its last element (wit=
h
> conversion prefixes), with insertions, deletions, or substitutions of
> places
> of the other elements. So "pazbei" has the same place structure as "bevri=
":
> the mother carries the child. There's no need to add "sel" to
> get "selpazbei", because the seltau and tertau of the underlying tanru ca=
n
> be
> related in any way.
>
> Pierre
> --
> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
> J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Pierre =
Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma=
.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Friday 10 September 2010 08:53:33 Oren wrote:<br>
&gt; How about<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; { .i mi panzi bevri }<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to mean &quot;I&#39;m carrying, in an offspring kind of way&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So then a possible lujvo could be something like<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;<br>
&gt; x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carried)<b=
r>
&gt; x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)<br>
<br>
</div>One can carry an offspring to term, then carry it in a baby sling.<br=
>
English &quot;bear&quot; and Tok Pisin &quot;karim&quot; imply that one is,=
 or just was,<br>
pregnant, but French &quot;porter&quot; and Spanish &quot;traer&quot; do no=
t, and those languages<br>
use other words for &quot;pregnant&quot; and &quot;bear&quot;. &quot;vasru&=
quot; is better than &quot;bevri&quot;<br>
because the fetus is contained within the mother.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On Friday 10 September 2010 18:50:14 Lindar wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; pazbei : panzi+bevri : pregnant;<br>
&gt; &gt; x1 =3D panzi1 =3D bevri2 (biological offspring, thing being carri=
ed)<br>
&gt; &gt; x2 =3D panzi2 =3D bevri1 (biological parent, thing carrying)<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; That would be {pazyselbei}.<br>
&gt; However, shouldn&#39;t it be {selpanzbei}?<br>
&gt; x1=3Dp2=3Db1 is pregnant with child x2=3Dp1=3Db2<br>
<br>
</div>Normally, the place structure of a lujvo is that of its last element =
(with<br>
conversion prefixes), with insertions, deletions, or substitutions of place=
s<br>
of the other elements. So &quot;pazbei&quot; has the same place structure a=
s &quot;bevri&quot;:<br>
the mother carries the child. There&#39;s no need to add &quot;sel&quot; to=
<br>
get &quot;selpazbei&quot;, because the seltau and tertau of the underlying =
tanru can be<br>
related in any way.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.<br>
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