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Ok, I see.  so {pe} and friends take a single "object" so to speak while
{poi} and company take a selbri to add more identifying/incidental
information to {ce'u}.

2010/9/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > .ua perfect time to clear up another question I've often had.  Jorge, c=
an
> > you clear up some terminology for me?  What is a:
> > term
>
> Any of the following:
>
> sumti
> tag+sumti
> FA+sumti
> tag [KU]
> FA [KU]
> NA KU
>
> "sumti" includes connected sumti.
>
> > phrase
>
> I think this is only used in "relative-phrase", which is the construct
> "GOI term [GEhU]"
>
> > clause
>
> I think this is only used in "relative-clause", which is the construct
> "NOI sentence [KUhO]"
>
>
> > If you could give an example of each in a piece of lojban text.  i.e.  =
An
> > example of the most that can be put into a "term"; or rather, what
> "starts",
> > "continues", and "ends" a term/phrase/clause?
>
> There are different kinds of terms. Examples are: "mi", "lo mlatu
> [ku]", "fi do", "lo nu mi klama lo zarci [ku] ca lo purlamdei [ku]
> [vau] [kei] [ku]", "ca ku", "na ku", etc.
>
> A relative-phrase is "GOI term [GEhU]".
>
> A relative-clause is "NOI sentence [KUhO]".
>
> > That would be incredibly helpful to me.  It took me the longest time to
> > understand the difference between {pe} and {poi} primarily because I
> didn't
> > have a clear understanding of the difference between "phrase" and
> "clause".
> >  Are they a sumti?  A sumti chain (<sumti> join <sumti> jo'u <sumti>)?
>
> Those are examples of terms, yes. They are the kind of thing that can
> go inside a "relative-phrase".
>
> > A bridi?  A bridi + multiple tails? etc...
>
> Those are sentences. The kind of thing that can go inside a
> "relative-clause".
>
> Notice in particular that "mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau]" is a bridi,
> but "lo du'u mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]" is a sumti.
> That's what may be confusing you.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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Ok, I see. =A0so {pe} and friends take a single &quot;object&quot; so to sp=
eak while {poi} and company take a selbri to add more identifying/incidenta=
l information to {ce&#39;u}.=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/9/12=
 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.=
com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3=
:11 PM, Luke Bergen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeaberge=
n@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; .ua perfect time to clear up another question I&#39;ve often had. =A0J=
orge, can<br>
&gt; you clear up some terminology for me? =A0What is a:<br>
&gt; term<br>
<br>
</div>Any of the following:<br>
<br>
sumti<br>
tag+sumti<br>
FA+sumti<br>
tag [KU]<br>
FA [KU]<br>
NA KU<br>
<br>
&quot;sumti&quot; includes connected sumti.<br>
<br>
&gt; phrase<br>
<br>
I think this is only used in &quot;relative-phrase&quot;, which is the cons=
truct<br>
&quot;GOI term [GEhU]&quot;<br>
<br>
&gt; clause<br>
<br>
I think this is only used in &quot;relative-clause&quot;, which is the cons=
truct<br>
&quot;NOI sentence [KUhO]&quot;<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt; If you could give an example of each in a piece of lojban text. =A0i.e=
. =A0An<br>
&gt; example of the most that can be put into a &quot;term&quot;; or rather=
, what &quot;starts&quot;,<br>
&gt; &quot;continues&quot;, and &quot;ends&quot; a term/phrase/clause?<br>
<br>
</div>There are different kinds of terms. Examples are: &quot;mi&quot;, &qu=
ot;lo mlatu<br>
[ku]&quot;, &quot;fi do&quot;, &quot;lo nu mi klama lo zarci [ku] ca lo pur=
lamdei [ku]<br>
[vau] [kei] [ku]&quot;, &quot;ca ku&quot;, &quot;na ku&quot;, etc.<br>
<br>
A relative-phrase is &quot;GOI term [GEhU]&quot;.<br>
<br>
A relative-clause is &quot;NOI sentence [KUhO]&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; That would be incredibly helpful to me. =A0It took me the longest time=
 to<br>
&gt; understand the difference between {pe} and {poi} primarily because I d=
idn&#39;t<br>
&gt; have a clear understanding of the difference between &quot;phrase&quot=
; and &quot;clause&quot;.<br>
&gt; =A0Are they a sumti? =A0A sumti chain (&lt;sumti&gt; join &lt;sumti&gt=
; jo&#39;u &lt;sumti&gt;)?<br>
<br>
</div>Those are examples of terms, yes. They are the kind of thing that can=
<br>
go inside a &quot;relative-phrase&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;=A0A bridi? =A0A bridi + multiple tails? etc...<br>
<br>
</div>Those are sentences. The kind of thing that can go inside a &quot;rel=
ative-clause&quot;.<br>
<br>
Notice in particular that &quot;mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau]&quot; is a bri=
di,<br>
but &quot;lo du&#39;u mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]&quot; is a su=
mti.<br>
That&#39;s what may be confusing you.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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