Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ovsvz-0002Kq-Df; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:26:16 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf62247pwj.16 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5rRvPcawNh6pEvr3x93281+2yVKkL31T6psTFzh5syM=; b=41UwjDFfdt3aY15d/HjSVdZAtaI71ULBMkWlJzuFm85dHboxPzF2Da+NWhdpazZ2Tv ck7DPXrIlcsqkmfPEhMcDMYP5tBBv5Vi/eU/0dGxNFLUkef3dTyXEpfSOlGFRIED9w7Y svJpXY5mrdfibvnHmbOQNnipWuwISODHHPdSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yHt8V6Rq0Bdr0doJnPsU9b3mqpec/xhXBGhMRQ7KdXzBLfQTC3dkDyHjZ/m7L5URfv KJzHW2Mbqjhy6//Myw8bxGXUFoZSOZ090ri2otd8PkzHKVzX+LoNyb+CmfyWMZM6yJRM LxAUtrW1ijiolODksRfxxLEIeON62d4XOUVac= Received: by 10.114.81.9 with SMTP id e9mr130480wab.1.1284560733486; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls1074913wak.3.p; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.20 with SMTP id z20mr334744wab.5.1284560731856; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.20 with SMTP id z20mr334743wab.5.1284560731807; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k37si1833629wae.2.2010.09.15.07.25.30; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.41; Received: by mail-pz0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 26so73741pzk.28 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.76.9 with SMTP id y9mr1923021waa.26.1284560730492; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.7 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] pregnant From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364590f808944d04904d1ac6 Content-Length: 6529 --0016364590f808944d04904d1ac6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And when the x4 is "gone", we still don't have any particular problem, formally. {no da} is just another sumti, so it makes perfect sense to say: mi'o bazu klama ti tu no da which I might have to make into a signature or something. mu'o mi'e latros. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Matthew Walton < > matthew@matthew-walton.co.uk> wrote: > >> 2010/9/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Adam D. Lopresto >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I'd probably use {se tarbi}. >> > >> > That's the best one so far. seltarbi: "x1 is pregnant of x2 from fathe= r >> x3" >> >> At the risk of derailing the discussion entirely, is it a good idea to >> have a place specifically for 'father'? We're already on the verge of >> having the ability for a woman to become pregnant with her own clone, >> or a child made from her and another woman, or from two men. >> >> Or am I being overly pedantic? (pedantry? on this list? never!) >> >> Yes you are. And when they finally manage to build transporters or > stargates, you (x1) will be able to klama to there (x2) from here (x3) > without ever going through any point in between (x4), but we won't be tak= ing > the x4 out of klama, because much "going" will still be done through poin= ts > in between. > > Besides, this in an English definition, so you can expect it to be > non-exact. Even today, it would be better described as "sperm donor". > > Also, pregnancy is often used (in many languages - no reason not to do so > in lojban) as a metaphor, in which case you still need a "donor" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --0016364590f808944d04904d1ac6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And when the x4 is "gone", we still don't have any particular= problem, formally. {no da} is just another sumti, so it makes perfect sens= e to say:
mi'o bazu klama ti tu no da
which I might have to make = into a signature or something.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Mon, Sep= 13, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:


On Su= n, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Matthew Walton <matthew@matthew-= walton.co.uk> wrote:
2010/9/12 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Adam D. Lopresto <adam@pubcrawler.org> wrote= :
>>
>> I'd probably use {se tarbi}.
>
> That's the best one so far. seltarbi: "x1 is pregnant of x2 f= rom father x3"

At the risk of derailing the discussion entirely, is it a good idea to
have a place specifically for 'father'? We're already on the ve= rge of
having the ability for a woman to become pregnant with her own clone,
or a child made from her and another woman, or from two men.

Or am I being overly pedantic? (pedantry? on this list? never!)

Yes you are. And when th= ey finally manage to build transporters or stargates, you (x1) will be able= to klama to there (x2) from here (x3) without ever going through any point= in between (x4), but we won't be taking the x4 out of klama, because m= uch "going" will still be done through points in between.

Besides, this in an English definition, so you can expe= ct it to be non-exact. Even today, it would be better described as "sp= erm donor".

Also, pregnancy is often used (in= many languages - no reason not to do so in lojban) as a metaphor, in which= case you still need a "donor"=A0

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