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.oiru'e .i ki'e pier. Now that I've been corrected I can go ahead and start
signing with this.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 September 2010 10:25:30 Ian Johnson wrote:
> > And when the x4 is "gone", we still don't have any particular problem,
> > formally. {no da} is just another sumti, so it makes perfect sense to
> say:
> > mi'o bazu klama ti tu no da
> > which I might have to make into a signature or something.
>
> That's equivalent to "mi'o na bazu klama ti tu" (the equivalency would be
> more
> complicated if one of the other sumti also had a quantifier). To
> put "nothing" in a sumti in such a way as to keep the sentence positive,
> you
> have to say "lo nomei" or "zi'o". "zi'o" doesn't put "nothing" in the
> place,
> it deletes the place. la filip. klama la actod. le dargu lo nomei lo nomei
>
> Pierre
> --
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.oiru&#39;e .i ki&#39;e pier. Now that I&#39;ve been corrected I can go ahe=
ad and start signing with this.<div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Wednesday 15 September=
 2010 10:25:30 Ian Johnson wrote:<br>
&gt; And when the x4 is &quot;gone&quot;, we still don&#39;t have any parti=
cular problem,<br>
&gt; formally. {no da} is just another sumti, so it makes perfect sense to =
say:<br>
&gt; mi&#39;o bazu klama ti tu no da<br>
&gt; which I might have to make into a signature or something.<br>
<br>
</div>That&#39;s equivalent to &quot;mi&#39;o na bazu klama ti tu&quot; (th=
e equivalency would be more<br>
complicated if one of the other sumti also had a quantifier). To<br>
put &quot;nothing&quot; in a sumti in such a way as to keep the sentence po=
sitive, you<br>
have to say &quot;lo nomei&quot; or &quot;zi&#39;o&quot;. &quot;zi&#39;o&qu=
ot; doesn&#39;t put &quot;nothing&quot; in the place,<br>
it deletes the place. la filip. klama la actod. le dargu lo nomei lo nomei<=
br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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