Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ow4d3-00021K-F9; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:55:21 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf121312pwj.16 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:55:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=ICwB0aK00sRwwj6a8DANSDntWK9SG/+553zBTvlShQw=; b=4gZG8517P5E6p/+VOvkivDR6iH3+pyxTLuWOEhQkLr3iJ5qyfTriWXHvrc15DtH+LU yqb0Q4VjmudeUf+mMIxaz4adThbVnx05OEc56m8QTyJJOdPO5into/+8VzF1UJXFiMq3 XSBBNmg6oeQCBwizXCiEohXV8IFmIrCMW8eAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Mc9+gJuLrJWMQaH08fZ4tNJrzv7NCZqXeGniP3rGX0umtDLTESZ+J7OWXYgJx5KXci UWg7NncCso3ygJecVPVFMH3CoF17MtiR4TiOIV4+EA1iiOHjedEbGTm0EX/3glKjp5q2 rvzyVUhGKNhhQvVSfG2RHXa6EGlRp4Sv/Z7OI= Received: by 10.115.66.26 with SMTP id t26mr213237wak.18.1284605688213; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.67.12 with SMTP id u12ls1640671wak.3.p; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.110.10 with SMTP id i10mr473648wac.45.1284605687620; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.110.10 with SMTP id i10mr473645wac.45.1284605687213; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k37si2621656wae.6.2010.09.15.19.54.46; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=88hQlV/VnhrPhhPadeRuWHBNMc0qRjlK2a7+9yZesI4= c=1 sm=0 a=WRl9uTmC9G8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=-JFRYVIiYkZN-F_cEBcA:9 a=3ZSep6p_YqNzk5sL9c5ZN9IJRyIA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=qqOY9uS9c2G70Z8e:21 a=XPurTsLvD4pd-Cny:21 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:55693] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CF/4B-29299-5F6819C4; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:54:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9541316F for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Cauchy sequences Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:48:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009152248.22472.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1975 On Wednesday 15 September 2010 20:01:06 Ian Johnson wrote: > I found myself being lazy in my analysis class having to repeatedly write: > Let x in R. Suppose {x_k} is a Cauchy sequence representing x. > I was trying to come up with a good word to use to represent this clunky > relation, that is: > x1 is a Cauchy sequence representing the real number x2. > The thing I came up with first was pretty bad, but I didn't have a > dictionary on me. It was {listrkoci}. Once I got to a dictionary I thought > of {porsrkoci}, which seems a bit better. Does anyone have any better > ideas? Maybe something that isn't a fu'ivla? "porsrkoci" and "pornkoci" are both good, and are different forms of the same word (though the Book doesn't say that different rafsi of one gismu are equivalent, except in lujvo). The alternatives are a lujvo, which would be longish, and "kocis.zei.porsi", which is also longish. I'd go with "pornkoci". > To clarify, this should hold, if broda is assigned to this relation: > li pa ce'o li pa fi'u re ce'o li pa fi'u ci ce'o ... broda li no > (sorry that I don't know a good way to say "et cetera ad infinitum" in > lojban.) I think the place structure should be "x1 (sequence) is a Cauchy sequence in x1 (metric space)". I know a sequence of rational numbers which converges to +3 in the real numbers and to -3 in the 2-adic numbers. There are Cauchy sequences of rational numbers which don't converge to any rational number, and there are sequences of rational numbers which are Cauchy sequences in one metric but not in another. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.