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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Reposted from a thread on the jbovlaste group:
>
> My entire argument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows:
>>
>> 1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu'ivla) is a Bad Thing (
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html) and should only be done
>> when there is NO OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin.
>>
>> 2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo,
>> lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary.
>>
>> 3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name has
>> a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are
>> descriptive, in the Latin language.
>>
>> 4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be
>> preferable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case.
>
>
> I am hereby inviting discussion, critique, etc. regarding the above from
> anyone who wishes to.


Just to give an example of what I mean:

la'o gy.Bald Eagle.gy zerle'a cipni lo blabi stedu

.i zo zerle'a smuni zo'oi.Raptor.

.i lo zerle'a cipni cu mintu lo kalte cipni

.i la'o gy.Bald Eagle.gy cu mintu lo labystedu zerle'acpi

Would you really rather use Linnaen name, *"Haliaeetus leucocephalus"?*


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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
Reposted from a thread on the jbovlaste group:<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">My entire a=
rgument regarding Lojban names for things is as follows:<br>

<br>1) Borrowing words from other languages (fu&#39;ivla) is a Bad Thing (<=
a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Bad-Thing.html</a>) and should only be=
 done when there is NO OTHER WAY. This means ANY language, including Latin.=
<br>


<br>2) Fluent jbopre are expected to be able to understand any gismu, cmavo=
, lujvo, etc. that they see without the need to consult a dictionary.<br><b=
r>3) Specifically regarding creatures: Nearly every creature with a name ha=
s a *descriptive* common name, and all Linnean names of things are descript=
ive, in the Latin language. <br>


<br>4) As such, I see no reason why a descriptive cmene should not be prefe=
rable to a borrowed foreign cmene in *every* case.</blockquote></div><br>I =
am hereby inviting discussion, critique, etc. regarding the above from anyo=
ne who wishes to.<font color=3D"#888888"></font></blockquote>
<div><br>Just to give an example of what I mean:<br><br>la&#39;o gy.Bald Ea=
gle.gy zerle&#39;a cipni lo blabi stedu<br><br>.i zo zerle&#39;a smuni zo&#=
39;oi.Raptor.<br><br>.i lo zerle&#39;a cipni cu mintu lo kalte cipni<br>
<br>.i la&#39;o gy.Bald Eagle.gy cu mintu lo labystedu zerle&#39;acpi<br><b=
r>Would you really rather use Linnaen name, <i>&quot;Haliaeetus leucocephal=
us&quot;?</i></div></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .ai=
onys.<br>
<br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu<br><br>

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