Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Owg01-0002aS-Vu; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:49:34 -0700 Received: by mail-yw0-f61.google.com with SMTP id 4sf485259ywp.16 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:49:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-authenticated :x-provags-id:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MxK0XjM7hDMF5V7sYtcdvEZXSuFLz0CWM3fPxU652Gs=; b=rRhpi5ZJ45RVJP+9JsThH/BjBdedLK4BRyf0ce1Tiq7GriBVVEbgLxJznPepBiherJ JUGFkLSRg5QBQ1wtz7sXqxth4jfEXd6TDJDw2udYPWKys+GqCv1P1L58ardCHlGivSRg qiUOMEcGsU+YMJlMFo6K8QqggYVRlqdwBGclQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=yLrb+DTSV5HPryrwMRN3hoziHTcUom1FS/XfgRryZ3GoFEXQ7sTo+fUysorALMO99W 8PYCPxwyHWapv+Wr6+oZgU3u2upZRbh4Tp4kJW/DLcFmGJqUiDCyudnx72i4I1o5NadF SI5sNiODNnVmDVmq8Qb/hwiQ5MXd0uiLA/qyk= Received: by 10.91.43.20 with SMTP id v20mr741161agj.43.1284749336314; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.17.2 with SMTP id 2ls940564ybq.0.p; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.14.8 with SMTP id r8mr1891778ybi.47.1284749335283; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.45.207 with SMTP id g15mr294037bkf.3.1284746899069; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.45.207 with SMTP id g15mr294035bkf.3.1284746898392; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id z25si2507753bku.1.2010.09.17.11.08.18; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kfa@gmx.net designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2010 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from f051081192.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO User-PC) [78.51.81.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2010 20:08:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #370125 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19uzHRzZBBu/MNK4z3Q9Ph9ENv41169ZFQVaLqWdY Ck2d5cP2LYosDO Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:08:07 +0200 From: kfa@gmx.net To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Reusing ke'a? Message-Id: <20100917200807.385a5ce2.kfa@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20100917161424.6457af0a.kfa@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.3 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: kfa@gmx.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kfa@gmx.net designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kfa@gmx.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1464 On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:13:01 -0300 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:14 AM, wrote: > > Hi @, > > > > Can I reuse ke'a in a subsequent bridi to avoid a longer or repetitive = pro-sumti construction? Like this: > > > > co'e zo'e voi le ke'a zo'e cu co'e .i ke'a co'e ... >=20 > That's not grammatical, but you can make it grammatical by removing > "le". (And you don't need "cu" there.) >=20 Hm, just found it doesn't parse with jbofihe, though I reduced it from a se= ntence which parsed. Must have forgotten something. It's supposed to mean "= There is something1 whose something2 is somehow. That something2 does ...",= therefore the {le} to make a possessive construction. > And no, "ke'a" only makes sense inside a relative clause. >=20 I understand. I just wondered if it would be possible to cheat a little, if= a pro-sumti which is grammatically correct but doesn't make sense in its p= lace, could be interpreted applying the meaning of its previous occurrence,= if near enough. I know it's a human assumption. feliks. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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