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On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm going to have to completely disagree with that definition.
> {dunda} doesn't imply transfer of ownership, and that's exactly what
> the lojban definition is saying.
>

  I respectfully disagree.  Ponse can mean either ownership, or
simple "possessing" at this moment in time.  As the English defintion
itself says: "x1 possesses/owns/HAS x2 under law/custom x3; x1 is
       owner/proprietor of x2 under x3.
       Notes: (x3 is generally more important to the concept than commonly
       accepted for the English equivalent, _since the concept is
       broader when unconstrained, and the nature/interpretation of
       possession/ownership is very culturally dependent_)

  So where x3 is undefined, it can very easily mean "has", as it says.
                  --Mike T.

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