Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P02M6-0006yL-AD; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:18:13 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf3754409gwb.16 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0+dpxVlciDEJYARF152kumaIogIO3Q9YOHstzdZ81XM=; b=1FytADhTOZnUe3ih1U+4ZexoN1H2nhsL4EwVK26mw/mHixXTpwvQH6PhJOzESb4+3l zJoxk7hI10cyw6E1aRRzoA+KDwPtDTtYdAMABvul7o5O1v9RpxeGstWLC7yoDCYDAQ/M hXC0W2ozlswVhiEYCQdCtWyKyzk8Yj6WlMAlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jZDbcS+VYn0xbkihDBW5KQzcEpfu3Rs0pxQOgha+w6vgZA9/uOIuu8tCj0xmyQml6Y rfrm2l7r63N3y3Op8c+7jrRYdVmuCKP08jCSSUXTqhErR+FUd9xRR2+dunjP23QLJZKi LRypuzZWUKEeIazvLBEP7fLYOAVga2vwJNrr0= Received: by 10.90.57.40 with SMTP id f40mr1052233aga.4.1285550263853; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.98 with SMTP id dt34ls1640475ibb.0.p; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.71 with SMTP id cf7mr1003958ibb.17.1285550263296; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.71 with SMTP id cf7mr1003957ibb.17.1285550263252; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si3308967ibb.6.2010.09.26.18.17.42; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-iw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 33so6996101iwn.0 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.173.3 with SMTP id n3mr8134809ibz.56.1285550262125; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1dc89411-9d46-4616-baa7-13a95e8d731d@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:17:42 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Where to start? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636284d1cb70cb10491337ec8 Content-Length: 9945 --001636284d1cb70cb10491337ec8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the only one to help this person out? For shame! :D ) On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal wrote: > >> Hi! >> I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just now decided to >> actually start learning it. >> problem is, I don't know where I should start. So if anyone could've >> give me a start in the right direction, I would be very grateful. >> ~ TheLugal. >> > > Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star in front of the ones > that I recommend you start with: > > * http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning - Contains most > if not all resources for learning the language. > > http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo - > All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a flashcard learning program - great > for vocab.) > > * http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) of Lojban, > with full place structure, such as "bacru x1 utters x2" > > http://smart.fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for each gismu, > such as "lo bacru an utterer" "lo se bacru an utterance" > > http://smart.fm/goals/266809 - Both of the above two combined into one > giant lesson. > > http://smart.fm/goals/292653 - All the cmavo, not including combinations, > such as ".ui happiness (attitudinal)" > > * http://smart.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal above, plus the > more common combinations, such as ".uinai unhappiness (attitudinal)" > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language- A link to order the print book "The Complete Lojban Language", which > describes the grammar of Lojban pretty much in it's entirety. A bit > outdated, as there have been a few changes, but nothing horribly important- > the biggest one is, we use lo a lot more than le nowadays, because of xorlo. > Currently in the process of being updated for a new, more current edition. > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar- An online version of the CLL, and slightly more outdated, but still good. > > http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html- "Lojban for Beginners", the first book specifically geared towards > teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated thanks to xorlo. > > * https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C - The > Lojban Google Wave, a much more current document, meant to replace the > "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available as a plain web page, > http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html > > Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you've already found, which > is a great place to ask questions about basically anything related to > Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where you can go to talk > about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban instructors (the ones who > made the Wave), are pretty much always lurking. > > Welcome to Lojbanistan! > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636284d1cb70cb10491337ec8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the only one to = help this person out? For shame! :D )

On = Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal <th= elugal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just now decided to
actually start learning it.
problem is, I don't know where I should start. So if anyone could'v= e
give me a start in the right direction, I would be very grateful.
=A0 =A0~ TheLugal.
Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star = in front of the ones that I recommend you start with:

* http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DLearning - Contains m= ost if not all resources for learning the language.

http://smart.fm/goals/search?au= todetected=3Dlojban&keyword=3D&language=3Djbo - All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a flashcard learning program -=20 great for vocab.)

* http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) o= f Lojban, with full place structure, such as "bacru=A0=A0=A0 x1 utters= x2"

http://smart= .fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for each gismu, such as "lo bacru=A0=A0= =A0 an=20 utterer" "lo se bacru=A0=A0=A0 an utterance"

http://smart.fm/goals/2= 66809 - Both of the above two combined into one giant lesson.

http://smart.fm/go= als/292653 - All the cmavo, not including combinations, such as "<= span>.ui=A0=A0=A0=A0 happiness (attitudinal)"

* http://sma= rt.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal above, plus the more com= mon combinations, such as ".uinai=A0=A0=A0=A0 unhap= piness (attitudinal)"

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.= php?page=3DThe+Complete+Lojban+Language - A link to order the print boo= k "The Complete Lojban Language", which describes the grammar of = Lojban pretty much in it's entirety. A bit outdated, as there have been= a few changes, but nothing horribly important- the biggest one is, we use = lo a lot more than le nowadays, because of xorlo. Currently in the process = of being updated for a new, more current edition.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.= php?page=3DThe+Lojban+Reference+Grammar - An online version of the CLL,= and slightly more outdated, but still good.

http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure= /lessons/book1.html - "Lojban for Beginners", the first book = specifically geared towards teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated= thanks to xorlo.

* https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.co= m/w+iDtofbn8C - The Lojban Google Wave, a much more current document, m= eant to replace the "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available a= s a plain web page, http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html

Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you've already = found, which is a great place to ask questions about basically anything rel= ated to Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where you can go= to talk about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban instructors (the = ones who made the Wave), are pretty much always lurking.

Welcome to Lojbanistan!

--
mu'o = mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno b= e denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke,= I am your father. :D )




--
mu'o mi'= e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa= bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am y= our father. :D )

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