On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Alan Post <= span dir=3D"ltr"><alanpos= t@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:

Ok, I'm shamed.

.i coi TheLugal,

My advice is to figure out *why* you want to learn Lojban. =A0What
are you going to be using Lojban for? =A0After you can articulate that,
figure out what the simplest thing you could possibly do to achieve
your goal would be. =A0The tiniest step requiring the least amount of
effort from you. =A0The less grammar and vocabulary you have to learn
for this first step, the better. =A0Call it version 1.0 of your vision.
Explore the links that .aionys. has provided to teach yourself enough
Lojban to accomplish version 1.0 of your vision.

This gives you a reason, purpose, and a goal for studying Lojban.
You know what you're trying to accomplish. =A0Once you've accomplis= hed
your goal you will be using Lojban. =A0You can build from this base,
wherever your interest takes you.

ni'o

I play a Lojbanic game called {lo do ckiku ma zvati}. =A0The game is
open to absolute beginners: the first "move" is to copy (as in co= py
and paste, or preferably retype) what was said to you back to the
person saying it, which you can do without understanding what you
said. =A0Once you start speaking (typing) Lojban you'll quickly enough<= br> begin to understand it. =A0If you're interested in playing e-mail me privately and I'll start a game with you. =A0(And since this game is multi- player this offer is open to anyone else interested as well.)

Welcome!

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:17:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =A0 =A0(Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the = only one to help
> =A0 =A0this person out? For shame! :D )
>

> =A0 =A0On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones <[1]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> =A0 =A0wrote:

>
> =A0 =A0 =A0On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal <[2]thelugal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hi!
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just = now decided to
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0actually start learning it.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0problem is, I don't know where I should start. So i= f anyone could've
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0give me a start in the right direction, I would be very= grateful.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0~ TheLugal.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star in = front of the ones
> =A0 =A0 =A0that I recommend you start with:
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0* [3]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-ind= ex.php?page=3DLearning - Contains

> =A0 =A0 =A0most if not all resources for learning th= e language.
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[4]http://sma= rt.fm/goals/search?autodetected=3Dlojban&keyword=3D&language=3Djbo<= /a>

> =A0 =A0 =A0- All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a = flashcard learning program -
> =A0 =A0 =A0great for vocab.)
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0* [5]http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) o= f

> =A0 =A0 =A0Lojban, with full place structure, such a= s "bacru x1 utters x2"
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[6]http://smart.fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for e= ach

> =A0 =A0 =A0gismu, such as "lo bacru an utterer&= quot; "lo se bacru an utterance"
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[7]http://smart.fm/goals/266809 - Both of the above two combined = into
> =A0 =A0 =A0one giant lesson.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0[8]http://smart.fm/goals/292653 - All the cmavo, not including

> =A0 =A0 =A0combinations, such as ".ui happiness= (attitudinal)"
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0* [9]http://smart.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal ab= ove,

> =A0 =A0 =A0plus the more common combinations, such a= s ".uinai unhappiness
> =A0 =A0 =A0(attitudinal)"
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[10]http://www.lojba= n.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DThe+Complete+Lojban+Language

> =A0 =A0 =A0- A link to order the print book "Th= e Complete Lojban Language", which
> =A0 =A0 =A0describes the grammar of Lojban pretty much in it's ent= irety. A bit
> =A0 =A0 =A0outdated, as there have been a few changes, but nothing hor= ribly
> =A0 =A0 =A0important- the biggest one is, we use lo a lot more than le= nowadays,
> =A0 =A0 =A0because of xorlo. Currently in the process of being updated= for a new,
> =A0 =A0 =A0more current edition.
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[11]http://www.lojba= n.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DThe+Lojban+Reference+Grammar

> =A0 =A0 =A0- An online version of the CLL, and sligh= tly more outdated, but still
> =A0 =A0 =A0good.
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0[12]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opo= udjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html -

> =A0 =A0 =A0"Lojban for Beginners", the fir= st book specifically geared towards
> =A0 =A0 =A0teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated thanks to x= orlo.
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0* [13]https://wave.google.com/wave= /waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C -

> =A0 =A0 =A0The Lojban Google Wave, a much more curre= nt document, meant to replace
> =A0 =A0 =A0the "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available a= s a plain web page,

> =A0 =A0 =A0[14]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html

>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you'= ;ve already found,
> =A0 =A0 =A0which is a great place to ask questions about basically any= thing related
> =A0 =A0 =A0to Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where= you can go
> =A0 =A0 =A0to talk about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban in= structors
> =A0 =A0 =A0(the ones who made the Wave), are pretty much always lurkin= g.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Welcome to Lojbanistan!
> =A0 =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa b= u .i doi luk. mi
> =A0 =A0 =A0patfu do zo'o
> =A0 =A0 =A0(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
> =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> =A0 =A0.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i= doi luk. mi patfu
> =A0 =A0do zo'o
> =A0 =A0(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
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> References
>
> =A0 =A0Visible links
> =A0 =A01. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.co= m
> =A0 =A02. mailto:thelugal@gmail.= com
> =A0 =A03. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page= =3DLearning
> =A0 =A04. http://smart.fm/goal= s/search?autodetected=3Dlojban&keyword=3D&language=3Djbo
> =A0 =A05. h= ttp://smart.fm/goals/268251
> =A0 =A06. h= ttp://smart.fm/goals/279583
> =A0 =A07. h= ttp://smart.fm/goals/266809
> =A0 =A08. h= ttp://smart.fm/goals/292653
> =A0 =A09. h= ttp://smart.fm/goals/284287
> =A0 10. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ti= ki-index.php?page=3DThe+Complete+Lojban+Language
> =A0 11. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ti= ki-index.php?page=3DThe+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> =A0 12. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/loj= banbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> =A0 13. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/google= wave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> =A0 14. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html

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