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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:33:09 -0600
From: Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Where to start?
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I'm not personally ready to play the game in real-time: I want to
practice both playing the game and speaking Lojban more before I
do this.

Part of what makes e-mail work for me is that I don't have to be
available at the same time other players are--it is quite difficult
for me to block off an hour or so to play a game, but quite easy for
me to participate in an e-mail thread.

I'll include you in the next game!  That makes it you and I so far.

-Alan

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:36:51PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
>    I'd love in the {lo do ckiku ma zvati} game. I don't know how well it'd
>    work typing, but I'd also be interested in a video-chat version. I've been
>    told [1]tinychat.com may be good for this.
> 
>    On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Alan Post
>    <[2]alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:
> 
>      Ok, I'm shamed.
> 
>      .i coi TheLugal,
> 
>      My advice is to figure out *why* you want to learn Lojban. What
>      are you going to be using Lojban for? After you can articulate that,
>      figure out what the simplest thing you could possibly do to achieve
>      your goal would be. The tiniest step requiring the least amount of
>      effort from you. The less grammar and vocabulary you have to learn
>      for this first step, the better. Call it version 1.0 of your vision.
>      Explore the links that .aionys. has provided to teach yourself enough
>      Lojban to accomplish version 1.0 of your vision.
> 
>      This gives you a reason, purpose, and a goal for studying Lojban.
>      You know what you're trying to accomplish. Once you've accomplished
>      your goal you will be using Lojban. You can build from this base,
>      wherever your interest takes you.
> 
>      ni'o
> 
>      I play a Lojbanic game called {lo do ckiku ma zvati}. The game is
>      open to absolute beginners: the first "move" is to copy (as in copy
>      and paste, or preferably retype) what was said to you back to the
>      person saying it, which you can do without understanding what you
>      said. Once you start speaking (typing) Lojban you'll quickly enough
>      begin to understand it. If you're interested in playing e-mail me
>      privately and I'll start a game with you. (And since this game is
>      multi- player this offer is open to anyone else interested as well.)
> 
>      Welcome!
> 
>      .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
> 
>      On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:17:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>      > (Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the only one to
>      help
>      > this person out? For shame! :D )
>      >
>      > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones
>      <[1][3]eyeonus@gmail.com>
>      > wrote:
>      >
>      > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal <[2][4]thelugal@gmail.com>
>      wrote:
>      >
>      > Hi!
>      > I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just now decided to
>      > actually start learning it.
>      > problem is, I don't know where I should start. So if anyone could've
>      > give me a start in the right direction, I would be very grateful.
>      > ~ TheLugal.
>      >
>      > Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star in front of the
>      ones
>      > that I recommend you start with:
>      >
>      > * [3][5]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning -
>      Contains
>      > most if not all resources for learning the language.
>      >
>      >
>      [4][6]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
>      > - All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a flashcard learning program -
>      > great for vocab.)
>      >
>      > * [5][7]http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) of
>      > Lojban, with full place structure, such as "bacru x1 utters x2"
>      >
>      > [6][8]http://smart.fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for
>      each
>      > gismu, such as "lo bacru an utterer" "lo se bacru an utterance"
>      >
>      > [7][9]http://smart.fm/goals/266809 - Both of the above two combined
>      into
>      > one giant lesson.
>      >
>      > [8][10]http://smart.fm/goals/292653 - All the cmavo, not including
>      > combinations, such as ".ui happiness (attitudinal)"
>      >
>      > * [9][11]http://smart.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal
>      above,
>      > plus the more common combinations, such as ".uinai unhappiness
>      > (attitudinal)"
>      >
>      >
>      [10][12]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
>      > - A link to order the print book "The Complete Lojban Language", which
>      > describes the grammar of Lojban pretty much in it's entirety. A bit
>      > outdated, as there have been a few changes, but nothing horribly
>      > important- the biggest one is, we use lo a lot more than le nowadays,
>      > because of xorlo. Currently in the process of being updated for a new,
>      > more current edition.
>      >
>      >
>      [11][13]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
>      > - An online version of the CLL, and slightly more outdated, but still
>      > good.
>      >
>      >
>      [12][14]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
>      -
>      > "Lojban for Beginners", the first book specifically geared towards
>      > teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated thanks to xorlo.
>      >
>      > *
>      [13][15]https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
>      -
>      > The Lojban Google Wave, a much more current document, meant to replace
>      > the "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available as a plain web page,
>      > [14][16]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
>      >
>      > Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you've already found,
>      > which is a great place to ask questions about basically anything
>      related
>      > to Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where you can go
>      > to talk about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban instructors
>      > (the ones who made the Wave), are pretty much always lurking.
>      >
>      > Welcome to Lojbanistan!
>      > --
>      > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>      >
>      > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi
>      > patfu do zo'o
>      > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>      >
>      > --
>      > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>      >
>      > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi
>      patfu
>      > do zo'o
>      > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>      >
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>      > References
>      >
>      > Visible links
>      > 1. mailto:[20]eyeonus@gmail.com
>      > 2. mailto:[21]thelugal@gmail.com
>      > 3. [22]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
>      > 4.
>      [23]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
>      > 5. [24]http://smart.fm/goals/268251
>      > 6. [25]http://smart.fm/goals/279583
>      > 7. [26]http://smart.fm/goals/266809
>      > 8. [27]http://smart.fm/goals/292653
>      > 9. [28]http://smart.fm/goals/284287
>      > 10.
>      [29]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
>      > 11.
>      [30]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
>      > 12.
>      [31]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
>      > 13.
>      [32]https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
>      > 14. [33]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
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>    Visible links
>    1. http://tinychat.com/
>    2. mailto:alanpost@sunflowerriver.org
>    3. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
>    4. mailto:thelugal@gmail.com
>    5. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
>    6. http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
>    7. http://smart.fm/goals/268251
>    8. http://smart.fm/goals/279583
>    9. http://smart.fm/goals/266809
>   10. http://smart.fm/goals/292653
>   11. http://smart.fm/goals/284287
>   12. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
>   13. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
>   14. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
>   15. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
>   16. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
>   17. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
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>   19. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en
>   20. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
>   21. mailto:thelugal@gmail.com
>   22. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
>   23. http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
>   24. http://smart.fm/goals/268251
>   25. http://smart.fm/goals/279583
>   26. http://smart.fm/goals/266809
>   27. http://smart.fm/goals/292653
>   28. http://smart.fm/goals/284287
>   29. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
>   30. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
>   31. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
>   32. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
>   33. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
>   34. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
>   35. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com
>   36. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en

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