Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1j7m-00046D-PA; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:10:22 -0700 Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32sf848191qyk.16 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CWmpHqMC66HcgczKzfnKxX/eu1y3/XlUf46MCpMJ74A=; b=TEIHSvouqWeOj1tdQUBXnHAOctwW+TI7m5n18bh1hR5IRnutaL/4gDxOblRyNj4dnr O/LqA7mai7FtdD0geiXrpDOa+cciEupTPu+L1BV5UW6+fxFN05qJbbJO7PAX5SvjP/Q9 UM6BcPoHGu5JOB4N/JHT3UTLyb+AT/hClS6fM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=29vmuOaoNwBrDruLVgAg2jQHLD8/wdtoOftxKfXxvSl57dSlh9mVifQ5DWHUuE9evt l8rVxxQQ/RGjc76BKxP/NIzFwEFJ987XIHqwcGF0fQCsjIWpDvVoat6VxejIsirmL+nO GYAXirTMDS4Ew/qR12jmDssYIVlUGbfV9u0Wg= Received: by 10.229.43.136 with SMTP id w8mr400344qce.20.1285952997003; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.219.212 with SMTP id hv20ls1200280qcb.1.p; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.248.6 with SMTP id me6mr1386488qcb.2.1285952996229; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.248.6 with SMTP id me6mr1386487qcb.2.1285952996164; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from li60-119.members.linode.com (linode.feoh.org [97.107.130.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c41si771597qcs.4.2010.10.01.10.09.55; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=97.107.130.119; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[IPv6:::1]) by li60-119.members.linode.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1j7L-0004CN-KO for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 17:09:55 +0000 Message-Id: <9A313EBC-E0FD-40BB-B083-F8B65E729883@switchb.org> From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cusku/NU Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:09:54 -0400 References: <671C9B4A-4E53-4F59-8B06-22E74A4A7AC7@switchb.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Length: 1041 On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:58, Luke Bergen wrote: > oops. I thought that's what {du'u} was. I thought {se du'u} was > "the sentence that expresses a bridi". So I would think that {se > du'u} is the actual sentence and {du'u} is the basic relationship > that the {se du'u} is expressing. Yes, exactly so. 1. You said "you are fat" to me do cusku lu do plana li'u mi 2. You said that I am fat do cusku lo se du'u mi plana #1 implies #2; #2 is less specific than #1, in that it does not give exact phrasing. Why do you think you need to use some other abstraction than {du'u}? -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.