On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:

(I'm double-posting this to = both lojban lists, please respond on the beginner's.)
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Days:=
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A discussion about the names of the weekdays was recently held= in the thread "[lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujv= o)", about the pros and cons of the two current methods of naming the = days of the week - one based on numbers, the other on concepts. {pavdei} &q= uot;1-day" =3D {lurdei} "moon-day", to provide an example.
In this discussion, .xorxes. pointed out that the current number method= is anti-intuitive, because it seems as though, for example {mumdei} would = mean "five days", not "fifth day". As corollary, he poi= nted out two examples: {reljeftu}, "fortnight", and {mumymentu}, = "five minutes". To quote him, "[T]he place structure of {dje= di} screams for 'N-dei' to mean {djedi be li N}, not {djedi me'= e li N}."

Personally, I found this to be a very convincing argument against the u= se of {pavdei} et al. as names of weekdays. It is also, if I am correct, hi= s main reason for preferring the concept way.

I, on the other hand, = do not like the concept method, for the simple reason that I really, really= like having a systematic method, and that is anything but. After more disc= ussion, I came up with the following, which is agreeable to both .xorxes. a= nd me.

It's actually basically the exact same thing as {pavdei}, etc., exc= ept backwards. So, they would be:

{djeno} "0-day"/{djeze} = "7-day" =3D Sunday
{djepa} "1-day" =3D Monday
{dj= ere} "2-day" =3D Tuesday
{djeci} "3-day" =3D Wednesday
{djevo} "4-day" =3D Th= ursday
{djemu} "5-day" =3D Friday
{djexa} "6-day"= =3D Saturday

All eight of the above words have the exact same meani= ng as both current methods: "x1 is a [weekday name] of week x2 in mont= h x3"

The benefits of this method are that it is logical, systematic, and doe= sn't conflict with spans (as in {mumdei} =3D "a five day span"= ;).

The con is, obviously, they take up 8 spots in gismu space, whic= h may or may not be an atrocity, depending on your viewpoint.

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Rather than create several similar gismu with almost identical meaning= s, why not just create lujvo with "zei"? That's what "ze= i" is for, right?

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djedi zei no/djedi zei ze =3D Sunday

djedi zei pa =3D Monday

djedi zei re =3D Tuesday

djedi zei ci =3D Wednesday

djedi zei vo =3D Thursday

djedi zei mu =3D Friday

djedi zei xa =3D Saturday

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Months:
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Through further discussion, we have also come up with a really good me= thod for month-naming. Currently, the only Lojban words we have for the mon= ths are cmevla, i.e. {.pamast.}, {.remast.}, etc. .xorxes. came up with a r= eally good alternative, similar to my idea with the weeks, for each of the = months, which are the following fu'ivla, based around {lunra}:

{lunrapa} "1-month" =3D January
{lunrare} "2-month&qu= ot; =3D February
{lunraci} "3-month" =3D March
{lunravo} &q= uot;4-month" =3D April
{lunramu} "5-month" =3D May
{lu= nraxa} "6-month" =3D June
{lunraze} "7-month" =3D July
{lunrabi} "8-month" =3D= August
{lunraso} "9-month" =3D September
{lunradau} "= 10-month" =3D October
{lunrafei} "11-month" =3D November<= br>{lunragai} "12-month" =3D December

This has the advantage over the current cmevla method in that, being fu= 'ivla, we can give them place structure and use them in all the ways cm= ene can NOT be used. I don't see any cons at all, but I may be mistaken= .

Since it is .xorxes. idea, I direct you to him for the proposed definit= ions, although I'm certain that it will begin "x1 is month N ....&= quot;

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Here I see no reason to use "lunra" when "masti" i= s available. Using "zei" as above, we get

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masti zei pa =3D January

masti zei re =3D February

masti zei ci =3D March

masti zei vo =3D April

masti zei mu =3D May

masti zei xa =3D June

masti zei ze =3D July

masti zei bi =3D August

masti zei so =3D September

masti zei pano / masti zei dau =3D October

masti zei papa / masti zei fei =3D November

masti zei pare /=A0masti zei gai =3D December

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How's that?

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stevo

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In conclusion, it is my desire t= o inform the whole of jbogugde about these ideas and to get feedback , and = to possibly confuse you lot to start using them whenever you are talking ab= out days of the week or about months.

Feedback, suggestions, criticisms, praise, and flaming are all welcome = and appreciated. :D

(I'm double-posting this to both lojban list= s, please respond on the beginner's.)

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