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Also, I was mis-reading who was saying what.  If Timos was the one saying
that "sei za'a do jinvi mi plana" is fine, then I agree with him.  Otherwise
I agree with kampu

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> oh... actually yeah, now that I take a second (closer) look at the
> original, it looks fine for the same reason that I mentioned earlier.
>
> {sei za'a do jinvi mi plana} breaks down into:
>
> I observe you opine, I am fat.  It doesn't seem right because we usually
> don't put {sei} like constructs at the beginning of sentences in english,
> but it amounts to the same thing as "I'm fat, you opine ( I think )".  The
> {do jinvi} is all that gets sucked up into the {sei} which leaves the {mi
> plana} as the main bridi.
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Timo Paulssen <
> timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
>
>> On 10/06/2010 05:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote:
>> > Actually I think Timo is right.  {sei} is funny in that it will take
>> > as many sumti as you give it, followed by selbri and then that's it.
>>
>> It appears to me, though, that le la kampu ku protest was not about the
>> grammar of sei, but the semantics of the sentence.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e timos
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Also, I was mis-reading who was saying what. =A0If Timos was the one saying=
 that &quot;<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">sei za&#39;a do ji=
nvi mi plana&quot; is fine, then I agree with him. =A0Otherwise I agree wit=
h kampu</span><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Luke Bergen=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
oh... actually yeah, now that I take a second (closer) look at the original=
, it looks fine for the same reason that I mentioned earlier. =A0<div><br><=
/div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;borde=
r-collapse:collapse">{sei za&#39;a do jinvi mi plana} breaks down into:</sp=
an></div>

<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collap=
se"><br></span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"border-collapse:collapse">I observe you opine, I am fat. =A0It doesn&=
#39;t seem right because we usually don&#39;t put {sei} like constructs at =
the beginning of sentences in english, but it amounts to the same thing as =
&quot;I&#39;m fat, you opine ( I think )&quot;. =A0The {do jinvi} is all th=
at gets sucked up into the {sei} which leaves the {mi plana} as the main br=
idi.<br>

</span></font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Timo Paulssen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de" target=3D"_blank">timonato=
r@perpetuum-immobile.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 10/06/2010 05:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; Actually I think Timo is right. =A0{sei} is funny in that it will take=
<br>
&gt; as many sumti as you give it, followed by selbri and then that&#39;s i=
t.<br>
<br>
</div>It appears to me, though, that le la kampu ku protest was not about t=
he<br>
grammar of sei, but the semantics of the sentence.<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e timos<br>
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