Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3XfA-0000Mc-0u; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:20:24 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf59975vws.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:20:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lVrfm1D14X6haGIEFzaZbOlFEIBUmrUsCeYe2+ICgqk=; b=CnuPWbFdq90lkF8l3VuozzzBS8lHT9GxS3wTyaST88L7JWB8jZjtltplX/XQqnFhcw wSf9v3AVvRWO4ey6OyyTJMkaicRlNZP823revekDc9nDfmfTyqFx5hrXL5kcjTeFboCN EI/mYbDHaXkhLTUx2xZsUxP4AJQVFycPnvaDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ARQeF9YthaTR9Th0U+wjk9juJnouWnBAaPWdGw9SAIXaNS4NEzOSdFI2REvwgp/puZ MCeDYb8Aq3QQumVm6tVnpBtSVZEIbzB0HNDjt4wcoo+PdLHIdo/ZCVLBPUfFxjMERVvh V4VFaXxOt6hbK6FQoTlUqrEmBBHdIs1Pus2ss= Received: by 10.220.186.129 with SMTP id cs1mr87521vcb.34.1286385592994; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.191.205 with SMTP id dn13ls636909vcb.3.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.201 with SMTP id bn9mr571356vcb.7.1286385590933; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.201 with SMTP id bn9mr571355vcb.7.1286385590900; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com (mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b7si380087vcx.15.2010.10.06.10.19.49; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.181; Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so4565047qyk.12 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.65.95 with SMTP id h31mr9469787qai.116.1286385589383; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <84c5d2b7-de8e-4789-83f3-f5aebb028d46@g21g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20101006154504.GC24166@alice.local> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8992281974010491f5fc88 Content-Length: 5031 --00c09f8992281974010491f5fc88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving gejyspa's skadei > suggestion. "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opted for bullets> > > It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system should have. > It's very flexible for different calendars to invent new day words > without necessarily conflicting with other calendars by adding more fine > grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color words for > fewer days. Umm no. Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that will NOT work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes (paraphrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the different numbering schemes?"). If we all agree that today is xundei, then what is 9 days from now? The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while the 9-day weekers will say "xundei". Standards are standard for a reason. My aim was to establish a standard that doesn't conflict with already existing cultural standards. And really, is there much variation in week length around the world currently? It seems that except for the 25 million Igbo's traditional 4 day week, we aren't stepping on many currently-extant calendrical toes here. And also (I say, tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored printers, monitors and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "Wednesday, Oct 9, 2010" :-) Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards? That's why we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00c09f8992281974010491f5fc88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving ge= jyspa's skadei
> suggestion. =A0<after typing out a long paragraph with sentenc= es starting with
> "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opt= ed for bullets>
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> It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system shoul= d have.
> It's very flexible for different=A0calendars=A0to invent new = day words
> without=A0necessarily=A0conflicting with other=A0calendars by add= ing more fine
> grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color w= ords for
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=A0Umm no. =A0Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that = will NOT work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes (para= phrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the differen= t numbering schemes?"). =A0If we all agree that today is xundei, then = what is 9 days from now? =A0The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while = the 9-day weekers will say "xundei". =A0Standards are standard fo= r a reason. =A0My aim was to establish a standard that doesn't conflict= with already existing cultural standards. =A0And really, is there much var= iation in week length around the world currently? =A0It seems that except f= or the 25 million Igbo's traditional 4 day week, we aren't stepping= on many currently-extant calendrical toes here. =A0And also (I say, tongue= -in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored printers, monito= rs and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "W= ednesday, Oct 9, 2010" :-)
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=A0 Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards?=A0 That&= #39;s why we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc.
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