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Because I thought {se du'u} was the wrong thing...

Let me work through this:
du'u : x1 is a predicate expressed by sentence x2
se du'u : x1 is a sentence expressing predicate x2

lo se du'u broda : a sentence meaning {broda} (the phrase it stands in for,
not the word itself)

amirite?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:

>
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:58, Luke Bergen wrote:
>
>  oops.  I thought that's what {du'u} was.  I thought {se du'u} was "the
>> sentence that expresses a bridi".  So I would think that {se du'u} is the
>> actual sentence and {du'u} is the basic relationship that the {se du'u} is
>> expressing.
>>
>
> Yes, exactly so.
>
> 1. You said "you are fat" to me    do cusku lu do plana li'u mi
> 2. You said that I am fat          do cusku lo se du'u mi plana
>
> #1 implies #2; #2 is less specific than #1, in that it does not give exact
> phrasing.
>
> Why do you think you need to use some other abstraction than {du'u}?
>
>
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Because I thought {se du&#39;u} was the wrong thing...<br><br>Let me work t=
hrough this:<br>du&#39;u : x1 is a predicate expressed by sentence x2<br>se=
 du&#39;u : x1 is a sentence expressing predicate x2<br><br>lo se du&#39;u =
broda : a sentence meaning {broda} (the phrase it stands in for, not the wo=
rd itself)<br>
<br>amirite?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:09 =
PM, Kevin Reid <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kpreid@switchb.org">=
kpreid@switchb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,=
 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:58, Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
oops. =A0I thought that&#39;s what {du&#39;u} was. =A0I thought {se du&#39;=
u} was &quot;the sentence that expresses a bridi&quot;. =A0So I would think=
 that {se du&#39;u} is the actual sentence and {du&#39;u} is the basic rela=
tionship that the {se du&#39;u} is expressing.<br>

</blockquote>
<br></div>
Yes, exactly so.<br>
<br>
1. You said &quot;you are fat&quot; to me =A0 =A0do cusku lu do plana li&#3=
9;u mi<br>
2. You said that I am fat =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0do cusku lo se du&#39;u mi pla=
na<br>
<br>
#1 implies #2; #2 is less specific than #1, in that it does not give exact =
phrasing.<br>
<br>
Why do you think you need to use some other abstraction than {du&#39;u}?<di=
v><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Kevin Reid =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0&lt;<a href=3D"http://switchb.org/kpreid/" target=3D"_blank">http://swit=
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