Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1le7-0008Cs-Eb; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:52:04 -0700 Received: by qwf6 with SMTP id 6sf687721qwf.16 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oTXf68zyMUfzn7sXDo1g4VMnWlVaoJ+DJUiuhxT84WA=; b=xwkiv+yYz5qEzlgSXyMbYYMk4n0fc2RcBGHnenKBQgC+tzrvfGfrCPz37WX7Vy/vfW lby0gs822ZJggN1uKsKNvL/5Omd55oCwQat/P9j1KWMay/nW2QdIExhrgsxMs9i56Z0Q Z2tkJGaHTREFZO/vYixfF5z/xlbgxPaUwepjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pHuQrJFBzOVBPaTe2go437zVnp+uCc/WDCmRhdONIVjiD7DK8faEyjgFps3L1Bmhp1 UuTfpx+CKAeIoGw1rpbRxpc3O4eoNYXwtob3HGc2JFkX5sqADp/kYf50qcrgajPiKYIu My6MermwWCbWaFVyJdxL72rUwGHr0q4ZtqHiY= Received: by 10.229.2.167 with SMTP id 39mr418984qcj.24.1285962689155; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.84 with SMTP id fx20ls1252583qcb.0.p; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.211.129 with SMTP id go1mr1248005qcb.8.1285962688148; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.211.129 with SMTP id go1mr1248003qcb.8.1285962688112; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from li60-119.members.linode.com (linode.feoh.org [97.107.130.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y27si846266qce.14.2010.10.01.12.51.27; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=97.107.130.119; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[IPv6:::1]) by li60-119.members.linode.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P1ldf-0004Fh-Cb for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:51:27 +0000 Message-Id: <689A8C08-145B-410E-AEBD-90D8EFD8B347@switchb.org> From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cusku/NU Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:51:26 -0400 References: <671C9B4A-4E53-4F59-8B06-22E74A4A7AC7@switchb.org> <9A313EBC-E0FD-40BB-B083-F8B65E729883@switchb.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Length: 1467 Please place your replies below selective quotations rather than above the entire message; it makes it easier for messages to keep the structure of the discussion clear. [This is my opinion and not a list policy.] On Oct 1, 2010, at 15:03, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Because I thought {se du'u} was the wrong thing... > > Let me work through this: > du'u : x1 is a predicate expressed by sentence x2 > se du'u : x1 is a sentence expressing predicate x2 Yes, except: 1. bridi/statement/sentence, not predicate/selbri. "plana" is a selbri (predicate); "do plana" is a bridi (sentence). 2. {du'u} relates three things, not two: x1, x2, and the syntactic content of the {du'u} itself. Or, in lojbanic tautologies: lo du'u kei bridi (the x1 of du'u is a bridi) lo du'u mi broda do kei bridi la'e zo broda mi ce'o do ("mi broda do" is a bridi with selbri "broda" and sumti "mi", "do") da du'u kei de .ijanai da smuni de (the x2 of a du'u means the x1 of it) -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.