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Ok then, remove that one bullet point.  I believe there are still 4 or 5
other fine points (and one subjective one).  If we're going to pick an
arbitrary sequence for defining week-day names, why *not* color?  Are
numbers more sequential than colors on a spectrum?  And it avoids the
confusion of "5 day time interval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't
a cmevla or take up gismu space.

Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness to
it?

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving gejyspa's
> skadei
> > suggestion.  <after typing out a long paragraph with sentences starting
> with
> > "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opted for bullets>
> >
> > It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system should have.
> > It's very flexible for different calendars to invent new day words
> > without necessarily conflicting with other calendars by adding more fine
> > grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color words for
> > fewer days.
>
>  Umm no.  Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that will NOT
> work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes
> (paraphrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the different
> numbering schemes?").  If we all agree that today is xundei, then what is 9
> days from now?  The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while the 9-day weekers
> will say "xundei".  Standards are standard for a reason.  My aim was to
> establish a standard that doesn't conflict with already existing cultural
> standards.  And really, is there much variation in week length around the
> world currently?  It seems that except for the 25 million Igbo's traditional
> 4 day week, we aren't stepping on many currently-extant calendrical toes
> here.  And also (I say, tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread
> availability of colored printers, monitors and copiers, we can save room in
> dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "Wednesday, Oct 9,
> 2010" :-)
>
>   Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards?  That's why we
> have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc.
>
>               --gejyspa
>
>
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Ok then, remove that one bullet point. =A0I believe there are still 4 or 5 =
other fine points (and one subjective one). =A0If we&#39;re going to pick a=
n arbitrary sequence for defining week-day names, why <i>not</i>=A0color? =
=A0Are numbers more sequential than colors on a spectrum? =A0And it avoids =
the confusion of &quot;5 day time interval&quot; as opposed to &quot;5th da=
y&quot;.... and it isn&#39;t a cmevla or take up gismu space.<div>
<br></div><div>Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any s=
eriousness to it?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at =
1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturnia=
nsky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:luk=
eabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/div>
<div>&gt; Personally, the more I think about it, the more I&#39;m loving ge=
jyspa&#39;s skadei</div>
<div>&gt; suggestion. =A0&lt;after typing out a long paragraph with sentenc=
es starting with</div>
<div>&gt; &quot;additionally&quot; and &quot;also&quot; etc... I&#39;ve opt=
ed for bullets&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt; It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system shoul=
d have.</div>
<div>&gt; It&#39;s very flexible for different=A0calendars=A0to invent new =
day words</div>
<div>&gt; without=A0necessarily=A0conflicting with other=A0calendars by add=
ing more fine</div>
<div>&gt; grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color w=
ords for</div>
<div>&gt; fewer days. =A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
</div><div>=A0Umm no. =A0Much as I&#39;m proud that you like my suggestion,=
 that will NOT work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes=
 (paraphrastically &quot;Isn&#39;t it confusing for cultures who use the di=
fferent numbering schemes?&quot;). =A0If we all agree that today is xundei,=
 then what is 9 days from now? =A0The 7-day weekers will say &quot;peldei, =
while the 9-day weekers will say &quot;xundei&quot;. =A0Standards are stand=
ard for a reason. =A0My aim was to establish a standard that doesn&#39;t co=
nflict with already existing cultural standards. =A0And really, is there mu=
ch variation in week length around the world currently? =A0It seems that ex=
cept for the 25 million Igbo&#39;s traditional 4 day week, we aren&#39;t st=
epping on many currently-extant calendrical toes here. =A0And also (I say, =
tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored printers, =
monitors and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for example <fon=
t color=3D"#ff0000">Oct 9, 2010</font><font color=3D"#000000"> instead of &=
quot;Wednesday, Oct 9, 2010&quot; :-)</font></div>


<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0 Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards?=A0 That&=
#39;s why we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div>=A0</div><font color=3D"#888888">
<div>=A0</div>

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