Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Xv7-0001d8-Lk; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:53 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf63409vws.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OWUKSCRQwCJS1UPjna8uczlhL1BJ1WwERNzZ7dxbCfA=; b=QOjd56PtumyPjw4CIjIsE0SoAhCFPmd8/WB0W4i8I7XujNRv9lNxQtYhghADegFZNE FPBL2q5Hxo8akYbZl0w0dg/rkHVGsnqqzVeij+IwG74YMXUshFkRm0u4fEsFpFmh8UjH /uBxvhGDAM5WWktLsclwm2j6tPpN+Kt6u7KmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=obqBi0HJTCCO9cDvKhV/+ofZD5XrW3NX09yxB8mFh8phMXqpIwMBQQDbP2WC6oy13r Em+82NBtBHVRU/EKdDc/AA/QFqMhiufdKZunRveP+cQTTCGyHkmGFRimbUKmxtq0h+ns anKv6sO+Pp2a9MmXZU9MWpPyOeyLVD0wkXfLY= Received: by 10.220.185.139 with SMTP id co11mr88639vcb.35.1286386583224; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.65.227 with SMTP id k35ls796208vci.5.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.72 with SMTP id ev8mr628700vcb.12.1286386582359; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.72 with SMTP id ev8mr628698vcb.12.1286386582266; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com (mail-qy0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k23si382246vcr.14.2010.10.06.10.36.21; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.170; Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so4295126qyk.8 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.184.68 with SMTP id cj4mr9011799qcb.48.1286386580315; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <84c5d2b7-de8e-4789-83f3-f5aebb028d46@g21g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20101006154504.GC24166@alice.local> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:36:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646530829deb70491f63713 Content-Length: 10230 --0016e646530829deb70491f63713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Ok then, remove that one bullet point. I believe there are still 4 or 5 > other fine points (and one subjective one). If we're going to pick an > arbitrary sequence for defining week-day names, why *not* color? Are > numbers more sequential than colors on a spectrum? And it avoids the > confusion of "5 day time interval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't > a cmevla or take up gismu space. > > Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness to > it? > As I said in my original message...."Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to me..." I really think the idea is great for answering the objections of the previous two systems. --gy > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving gejyspa's >> skadei >> > suggestion. > with >> > "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opted for bullets> >> > >> > It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system should have. >> > It's very flexible for different calendars to invent new day words >> > without necessarily conflicting with other calendars by adding more fine >> > grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color words >> for >> > fewer days. >> >> Umm no. Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that will NOT >> work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes >> (paraphrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the different >> numbering schemes?"). If we all agree that today is xundei, then what is 9 >> days from now? The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while the 9-day weekers >> will say "xundei". Standards are standard for a reason. My aim was to >> establish a standard that doesn't conflict with already existing cultural >> standards. And really, is there much variation in week length around the >> world currently? It seems that except for the 25 million Igbo's traditional >> 4 day week, we aren't stepping on many currently-extant calendrical toes >> here. And also (I say, tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread >> availability of colored printers, monitors and copiers, we can save room in >> dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "Wednesday, Oct 9, >> 2010" :-) >> >> Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards? That's why we >> have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc. >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok then, remove that one bullet = point. =A0I believe there are still 4 or 5 other fine points (and one subje= ctive one). =A0If we're going to pick an arbitrary sequence for definin= g week-day names, why not=A0color? =A0Are numbers more sequential th= an colors on a spectrum? =A0And it avoids the confusion of "5 day time= interval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't a cm= evla or take up gismu space.=20

Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness= to it?
=A0
=A0 As I said in my original message...."Okay, this time, an actu= ally SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to me..."
=A0
=A0 I really think the idea is great for answering the objections of t= he previous two systems.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gy=A0
=A0

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky &= lt;mturniansky@g= mail.com> wrote:
=A0
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:<= /div>
> Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving ge= jyspa's skadei
> suggestion. =A0<after typing out a long paragraph with sentenc= es starting with
> "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opt= ed for bullets>
>
> It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system shoul= d have.
> It's very flexible for different=A0calendars=A0to invent new = day words
> without=A0necessarily=A0conflicting with other=A0calendars by add= ing more fine
> grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color w= ords for
> fewer days. =A0
=A0
=A0Umm no. =A0Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that = will NOT work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes (para= phrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the differen= t numbering schemes?"). =A0If we all agree that today is xundei, then = what is 9 days from now? =A0The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while = the 9-day weekers will say "xundei". =A0Standards are standard fo= r a reason. =A0My aim was to establish a standard that doesn't conflict= with already existing cultural standards. =A0And really, is there much var= iation in week length around the world currently? =A0It seems that except f= or the 25 million Igbo's traditional 4 day week, we aren't stepping= on many currently-extant calendrical toes here. =A0And also (I say, tongue= -in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored printers, monito= rs and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "W= ednesday, Oct 9, 2010" :-)
=A0
=A0 Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards?=A0 That&= #39;s why we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc.
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
=A0
=A0

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