Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Y3D-00021a-W8; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:45:19 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf6022595yxs.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eKITqKzU0TvD9x0uzVYoVVajaVt1G7OTmBRQPPE0bvc=; b=l7en3dzePHG6BfuRYB2cGU/xHhiM/TFLpNOOCqZ17r3PU/iJ+AA/0NwdFgGZ4/KjCf 3h0vnRg/oWBoUGCreG6uuLr/c3WEBfTNYV14RQQwwsbK3EJCv9zmWQ7/7nSjX6JlRUFD n46uQUYhf/J55PutZuXkE15HvyUFVLrFCyQCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3E3XbEK3w751ESYq3D5JCKctFzEqt5nPJGUuBBSpf8n+CxF3I+vmvINbRx12ptLHkG YTQGJpvlOI7y7cJt/mjeTPwNICmwhurSphJ+FxBmjOZ3Z7imGumgiixesceeMQXvzECi J0zxMehuNO5sUZMDAfj1iaLpUW7SJUaw+QXKg= Received: by 10.91.16.18 with SMTP id t18mr937584agi.6.1286387085998; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.196.65 with SMTP id ef1ls261883ibb.0.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.11 with SMTP id ce11mr3248739ibb.5.1286387085242; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.11 with SMTP id ce11mr3248733ibb.5.1286387085188; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si567671ibb.2.2010.10.06.10.44.44; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by iwn3 with SMTP id 3so11862140iwn.31 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.193 with SMTP id v1mr14278305ibc.87.1286387078731; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <84c5d2b7-de8e-4789-83f3-f5aebb028d46@g21g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <20101006154504.GC24166@alice.local> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557a0d6df19ed0491f654d8 Content-Length: 12359 --00032557a0d6df19ed0491f654d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, so you were only casting doubt on the one bullet point then. I thought you were poo-poo-ing the proposal as a whole. ta'o when does a "suggestion" become a proposal? ta'onai On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Ok then, remove that one bullet point. I believe there are still 4 or 5 >> other fine points (and one subjective one). If we're going to pick an >> arbitrary sequence for defining week-day names, why *not* color? Are >> numbers more sequential than colors on a spectrum? And it avoids the >> confusion of "5 day time interval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't >> a cmevla or take up gismu space. >> >> Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness to >> it? >> > > As I said in my original message...."Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS > proposal which just occurred to me..." > > I really think the idea is great for answering the objections of the > previous two systems. > --gy > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen >>> wrote: >>> > Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving gejyspa's >>> skadei >>> > suggestion. >> with >>> > "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opted for bullets> >>> > >>> > It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system should >>> have. >>> > It's very flexible for different calendars to invent new day words >>> > without necessarily conflicting with other calendars by adding more >>> fine >>> > grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color words >>> for >>> > fewer days. >>> >>> Umm no. Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that will NOT >>> work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes >>> (paraphrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the different >>> numbering schemes?"). If we all agree that today is xundei, then what is 9 >>> days from now? The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while the 9-day weekers >>> will say "xundei". Standards are standard for a reason. My aim was to >>> establish a standard that doesn't conflict with already existing cultural >>> standards. And really, is there much variation in week length around the >>> world currently? It seems that except for the 25 million Igbo's traditional >>> 4 day week, we aren't stepping on many currently-extant calendrical toes >>> here. And also (I say, tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread >>> availability of colored printers, monitors and copiers, we can save room in >>> dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "Wednesday, Oct 9, >>> 2010" :-) >>> >>> Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards? That's why >>> we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc. >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00032557a0d6df19ed0491f654d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, so you were only casting doubt on the one bullet point then. =A0I thoug= ht you were poo-poo-ing the proposal as a whole. =A0ta'o when does a &q= uot;suggestion" become a proposal? =A0ta'onai

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>= wrote:


On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM= , Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok then, remove that one bullet point= . =A0I believe there are still 4 or 5 other fine points (and one subjective= one). =A0If we're going to pick an arbitrary sequence for defining wee= k-day names, why not=A0color? =A0Are numbers more sequential than co= lors on a spectrum? =A0And it avoids the confusion of "5 day time inte= rval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't a cmevla = or take up gismu space.=20

Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness= to it?
=A0
=A0 As I said in my original message...."Okay, this time, a= n actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to me..."
=A0
=A0 I really think the idea is great for answering the objections of t= he previous two systems.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gy=A0
=A0

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky &= lt;mturniansky@g= mail.com> wrote:
=A0
=A0
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:<= /div>
> Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving ge= jyspa's skadei
> suggestion. =A0<after typing out a long paragraph with sentenc= es starting with
> "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opt= ed for bullets>
>
> It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system shoul= d have.
> It's very flexible for different=A0calendars=A0to invent new = day words
> without=A0necessarily=A0conflicting with other=A0calendars by add= ing more fine
> grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color w= ords for
> fewer days. =A0
=A0
=A0Umm no. =A0Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that = will NOT work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes (para= phrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the differen= t numbering schemes?"). =A0If we all agree that today is xundei, then = what is 9 days from now? =A0The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while = the 9-day weekers will say "xundei". =A0Standards are standard fo= r a reason. =A0My aim was to establish a standard that doesn't conflict= with already existing cultural standards. =A0And really, is there much var= iation in week length around the world currently? =A0It seems that except f= or the 25 million Igbo's traditional 4 day week, we aren't stepping= on many currently-extant calendrical toes here. =A0And also (I say, tongue= -in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored printers, monito= rs and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "W= ednesday, Oct 9, 2010" :-)
=A0
=A0 Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards?=A0 That&= #39;s why we have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc.
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
=A0
=A0

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