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Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.170 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 4540 What makes color superior to phonetic ('a', 'e', ...) progression? What makes color superior to texture (smooth => rough) progression? What makes color superior to temperature (cold => hot) progression? Or, in a single question, is color sufficiently arbitrary, or is it equally arbitrary to other sensation scales? I see your argument of color vs. numbers, but what is the argument for color vs. other sensory progression? -Alan On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 01:26:51PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > Ok then, remove that one bullet point. I believe there are still 4 or 5 > other fine points (and one subjective one). If we're going to pick an > arbitrary sequence for defining week-day names, why not color? Are numbers > more sequential than colors on a spectrum? And it avoids the confusion of > "5 day time interval" as opposed to "5th day".... and it isn't a cmevla or > take up gismu space. > Was your suggestion mostly a joke gejyspa or was there any seriousness to > it? > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Turniansky > <[1]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Luke Bergen <[2]lukeabergen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm loving gejyspa's > skadei > > suggestion. with > > "additionally" and "also" etc... I've opted for bullets> > > > > It has the sequential nature that a rational logical system should > have. > > It's very flexible for different calendars to invent new day words > > without necessarily conflicting with other calendars by adding more > fine > > grained color words for more days to a week or more broad color words > for > > fewer days. > Umm no. Much as I'm proud that you like my suggestion, that will NOT > work, for the same reason as the original question of xorxes > (paraphrastically "Isn't it confusing for cultures who use the different > numbering schemes?"). If we all agree that today is xundei, then what is > 9 days from now? The 7-day weekers will say "peldei, while the 9-day > weekers will say "xundei". Standards are standard for a reason. My aim > was to establish a standard that doesn't conflict with already existing > cultural standards. And really, is there much variation in week length > around the world currently? It seems that except for the 25 million > Igbo's traditional 4 day week, we aren't stepping on many > currently-extant calendrical toes here. And also (I say, > tongue-in-cheekily), with the widespread availability of colored > printers, monitors and copiers, we can save room in dates by saying, for > example Oct 9, 2010 instead of "Wednesday, Oct 9, 2010" :-) > Really, is there anything wrong with universal standards? That's why we > have timezones, airport codes, radio frequency etc. etc. > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > [3]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [4]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com > 2. mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com > 3. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > 4. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.