Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4nnx-00014a-PP; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:42 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf2151132pxi.16 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=sHHbCqoiFlotuFpzX8dCBw9JxTrNaqOA+IRDmoNO3Wo=; b=6SiF2thrIfqP3nab3daG2WUtCPx9VVHQ3Ui5Wud0T0o/KjbETnGXfApVHTWezWWMqh RIsrf7mhJ4JVHuc9joTZ2sg4fJikhET9WG7cL1q3oxpbsgXC57CkAE0CpYBY2Lo070Qh F7bFgAAT9J7y10EJ+4f7qZndj3dXfbr7NR0UI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=G80FnSh2VWna5kiRNUdvysOxTf3XhoiZ4hBuAG1w2MP+RUOmPuYbflf7J3N+E99m/A evXBL8OX2HKz6A/9QX5db1hx0ws9eb7HPhTXnZ1G77zBWMUb/1/MSLZZ+HL1TlLUAHY2 E4wmOGb/Py2mBZ9j+8PCpxKWh9/d5OQwmV2nM= Received: by 10.142.152.28 with SMTP id z28mr160357wfd.28.1286685972473; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.248.13 with SMTP id v13ls1100499wfh.0.p; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.112.10 with SMTP id k10mr1476013wfc.29.1286685971705; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.112.10 with SMTP id k10mr1476012wfc.29.1286685971491; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h6si6060695wfj.1.2010.10.09.21.46.10; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=QSZclhxgDhhmevwBV2YEn103LiRbjsuAJdvYsZfX8C8= c=1 sm=0 a=9svH2LGONwsA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=G1NWCUvXqg5tlCP61uYA:9 a=Eo4Y3y3Ss7Lto5a_K5UbrIQx2BMA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59846] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 7A/ED-23684-21541BC4; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 04:46:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F04EA39F for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] .u'icu'i pe la jbofi'e (Something mildly amusing about Jbofi'e.) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:46:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010100046.08522.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1816 On Saturday 09 October 2010 23:21:31 Jonathan Jones wrote: > As usual, I checked it in jbofi'e to make sure it parsed correctly (, it > didn't originally, because I used "bixgau". I can never remember when you > have to use a buffer), and that I was saying what I thought I was saying. "-y-" is an interfix, not a buffer. The buffer (I've seen a linguistic term for it somewhere) is a purely phonetic phenomenon, a short vowel stuck between two consonants which are allowed together by phonotactics but which some speaker has trouble pronouncing together. The interfix "-y-" is used: 1. between morphemes to avoid a phonotactically impossible consonant cluster. This is the case with "bixygau", as "x" is a voiceless fricative and "g" is a voiced stop, and a voiced stop or fricative cannot be next to a voiceless stop or fricative. 2. after a four-letter rafsi (also with fu'ivla rafsi but I won't go into those), as in "dandygau". 3. to avoid the first two letters of a tosmabru from falling off, as in "cakyrespa". It's not needed in "cakmabru" because no word begins with "km" and ends with a vowel. > In any case, when I was looking at the output, I noticed something mildly > amusing; even though it's enclosed in "foreign name" quotes, jbofi'e > returned "la'o gy Left vo Dead gy". teehee! And if you say "la'o vo Left 4 Dead vo" you get an error. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.