Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5IXf-0005Ea-5j; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:54 -0700 Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5sf487905pxi.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=owlqGmxYRHxFCtSv1L96u10WUjkpmiYUNq7NpiJt7uY=; b=Ki1KI/r6Yi8BZh2tIbiDBGLpjvhYdtCF9MWzVUpFuCDnRtcw0AgD+sar3cb0JY4Gt9 hVUkt0HTSoR/MSE4CCrpLMf1MlLuP5fvu3LtqouYxCpBDpumACP3Ayie4S9eUy/wOCyy vvFQo3xhoWFXKcRGWH3G5Ww+qKf+N2CH7V2aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=iC7MxA7fJNDNga3Qxz/2qVkavf7LLQjHJOye4XOysPUVmG+UdA7WqfftMo/hkFTcFR S8o9jsZ4tzpDL+FZf7fRo/chAtaRLSBTLTK65S2pwUmN0lPpCBytAGL6N4Smmz2ZfIQk o1q4cvE+ioEHH7bQD4p8rPlKJHDisrU8l1bW8= Received: by 10.142.2.25 with SMTP id 25mr194502wfb.25.1286804126547; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.117.2 with SMTP id p2ls3323998wfc.1.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.221.10 with SMTP id t10mr1741403wfg.63.1286804125271; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.221.10 with SMTP id t10mr1741402wfg.63.1286804125251; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si7562816wfc.6.2010.10.11.06.35.24; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZBI6RdNETH4sDdlJjm+X1V76MXTYJ4j6p+Mc58whUtE= c=1 sm=0 a=o8Huf5IcEB4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=AAFVyHgCAAAA:8 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=bxuDWWi3-JxZmmqaG5AA:9 a=s2d1SThcnEeXcu-yqFCb7PuQpVUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=QXcm860TS2MA:10 a=NmTRwA82fEUA:10 a=BFDKbZatV3MA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:50596] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 3D/CE-08566-C9213BC4; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:35:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A6BA302 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation exercise - Titan atmosphere life ingredients Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:34:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20101010193518.0350bb12.kfa@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20101010193518.0350bb12.kfa@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010110934.45632.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 4942 On Sunday 10 October 2010 13:35:18 kfa@gmx.net wrote: > sei zoi .url. > http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/saturn-moon-titan-atmosphere-life- > ingredients-101007.html .url. cu juxre troci se fanva la feliks. ue do mutce certu be ma'i tu'a lo cfari be'o fanva le nandu! > ni'oni'o .ua selcu'i lodu'u lo vacri be lo lunra be la sat=FArn. cu ralte= lo > selxre be lo jmive I'd say "terzba". Life is much more than just a mixture of ingredients. > sei fi'e la maik.uol. voi clafri teryro'a fo la'e ly. space.com ly. de'i = li > renopano pi'e pano pi'e ze ti'u li pamu pi'e bi veti'u sunmerdorca'u > sei le ti prosa cu cabgau de'i li pano pi'e ze ti'u li reno pi'e mu s/la'e/la'o/ A sei-clause ends with the selbri unless it's followed by "be". veti'u lo sunmerko (time zones aren't specific to daytime nor are they=20 three-dimensional) > no'i selcu'i lodu'u le bumru vacri be la tit=E1n. voi brarai lunra be la > sat=FArn. cu ralte lo pluja tabno xumsle poi zbasu pagbu lo jmive tai se > djuno .i lo cnino tadyselgu'a cu simlu go'i I'd say "pluja ke tabno xumsle" or "tabno pluja xumsle". "pluja tabno xumsl= e"=20 means that the carbon is complex. > no'i ne'i lo skeku'a lo skegu'a cu smigau lo cumki xukmi nunfra poi fasnu > ga'usai ne'i le la tit=E1n. vacri voi ricfu be lo trano .i sy facki lodu'= u lo > vrici pluja xumsle be mu'u lo tranydrorelslami .a lo velnagjilka cu kakne > lonu co'a zasti secau piso'i nu catke I suggest "tronyslami". See=20 http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DChemistry . velnagjilka: I pictured a bitter-tasting acorn or hazelnut. I=20 suggest "ginle'u". > no'i lu mi'a kakne lonu mulno gasnu be ti ne'i lo vacri li'u se cusku la > saras.xorst. voi skepre gi'e multadypre pe le la .arizonas. balcu'e .i lu > mi'a na nitcu lo litki djacu .i mi'a na nitcu lo dertu sefta .i mi'a jarc= o > lodu'u selcu'i lonu zbasu be lo mutce pluja xumsle ne'i lo traji galtu > canlu be lo vacri li'u You've had more "no'i" than "ni'o". I think they should all be "ni'o". > no'i lo xumsle poi pu se zbasu po le tersnada cu se cmima lei mu > velnagjilka poi nenri lo jgina termifra po lo terdi jmive to la cytos=EDn= . ce > la .aden=EDn. ce la tymin. ce la gu,an=EDn. ce la .urac=EDl. toi gi'e cmi= ma lei > re cmarai tranydrorelslami to la glycin. ce la .alyn=EDn. toi sei se cusk= u be > lei skepre I'd use fu'ivla for the chemicals. I was recently thinking about the=20 name "Chaugham", or "Choggum", or however you want to spell it, and came up= =20 with a possible gismu "tcagu" or "gatcu" which could refer to nucleotide=20 bases. > no'i la xorst. cu jarco le selfa'i fau le cabdei to li pano pi'ez e toi > nunpe'i be le le merko kesyske jikce'u ku plinyske paugri bei la > pasadenas.kalifornias. > > ni'o lo pluja dumxu'i fi'o zvati la tit=E1n. > > no'i le la tit=E1n. vacri cu rotsu gi'e ricfu lo trano tai vo'a po le ter= di > .i ku'i la tit=E1n. cu mutce lekmau .i lo ty sefta cu kelvo no'o ji'i li = ni'u > pazeso la celsius. to li ni'u resono la farynxeit. toi gi'e mutce dukse > lenku lodu'u lo djacu cu litki .i le la tit=E1n. tcima ciste cu selcmu lo > tabdrovonxu'i .i lo tabdrovonxu'i cu carvi gi'e zbasu lo litki lalxu "Degree Celsius" is "jacke'o". I'd say "farnaito", not that I talk about=20 Fahrenheit much. I've proposed "metli". > no'i le la tit=E1n. galtu vacri cu ponse ro lo selratni poi sarcu lo pluj= a > cinri nunxumfra sei se cusku be la xorst. bei lo datnyternoi ca le cabdei > to li pano pi'e ze toi .i lo tcebra xumsle fi'o cizra krasi fe'u cu fulta > ga'u vu .i so'o me le go'i cu ponse paki'o tabno ratni > > no'i ji'a lo galtu vacri cu ponse lo kijno voi la'a klama fi lo tcebra > bisli je'erjinto voi sputu fi le la tit=E1n. tunba lunra me'e la .encelyd= us. > .ije vy damri lo solri seldi'e voi tsali fi lonu banzu be lonu porpi be f= a > lo xukmi selri'u gi'e gasnu lonu frati sei se cusku be la xorst. > > no'i la xorst. .e lei ri kangu'a cu djica lonu viska lodu'u lo klesi be l= o > xumsle bei makau cu se cupra fi lonu xumfra tai ra keikeikei gi'e bregau > lonu selfaktoi > > ni'o lonu smijupfi'i la tit=E1n. ne'i lo skeku'a > > no'i lei skegu'a cu jupfi'i lo lenku mixre be lo trano .e lo tabdrovonxu'= i > .e lo tabykijypavyxu'i voi naltce jibni lo la tit=E1n. galtu vacri ku'o n= e'i > lo xumfraku'a gi'e gasnu lonu vo'a se lindi lo cradyselsli seldi'e poi > banzu be lonu porpi be fa lo tsali xumselri'u be lo trano "tabno pavykijytau", or shorter, "mantygapci". mu'omi'e pier. --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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