Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5JiP-0006Xp-5H; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:51:04 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf48576wye.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GbLiLr8S2MdxUqu4cMT3DcvlOvy6LcIps3X/1r7HBrY=; b=MHWgyP7ED5PFzgYyzijijzu8wNXWHk4heHuY0RZm33F6PQu5EGClHPOSWe03XILd0D 2iDhQFsGPaYM/vD2IaNyEnd3TlQnm5kC/aD8o7U3QH8ZePCpMe0wTIXkJwPkfhPL1ajd a9GI+R48UV8b5MovksIWQsMEvu6zmxZMlCiP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bi9foSrI/x6xX9DmCYze+Qm7sJTgUf4oUzCxwwp66InxJSZQ3YcFwDkCUC5M/m06qj 2IvWuJdBc7koqSMgvk2ksHWo6X4yGkw8S8evKlEqbcZ1Qow/o+Ko87tkHtB8ATirwZ8E ODnWQOn3l1+2ImSTb0wo3xuZjg7NIz/CLxlMI= Received: by 10.216.237.73 with SMTP id x51mr191401weq.4.1286808635075; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.134 with SMTP id u6ls1133391wby.1.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.76 with SMTP id y12mr267140wbi.26.1286808634158; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.69.76 with SMTP id y12mr267139wbi.26.1286808634130; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a37si3122464wba.3.2010.10.11.07.50.32; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by mail-ww0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 20so96694wwd.2 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.135.141 with SMTP id n13mr5802853wbt.97.1286808632706; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010110934.45632.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20101010193518.0350bb12.kfa@gmx.net> <201010110934.45632.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:50:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation exercise - Titan atmosphere life ingredients From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1021 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 10 October 2010 13:35:18 kfa@gmx.net wrote: > >> ni'oni'o .ua selcu'i lodu'u lo vacri be lo lunra be la sat=FArn. cu ralt= e lo >> selxre be lo jmive > > I'd say "terzba". Life is much more than just a mixture of ingredients. Isn't that a bit... creationistic? I suppose "terfarvi" could also be contentious, but it agrees more with other ideas expressed in the article. How do we talk about the source elements of something without implying either that it was consciously put together by someone or that it spontaneously evolved into it? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.