Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5OGF-0000PO-7i; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:42:26 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf873486wwe.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xhY0sW7oAkMl0UHAr0PVK5zUrkv0RqigHQzFjw4dnus=; b=iaUwEwGfv85MUJXJ8oRmsHc2rsm+CZTGkKVqT4PSm3p/Fq5lgUQW8IcZUydGlmDewJ 8fa1vz5uYbsMDNf+SDxVScXU7j259uNEnfvxid1TrxKltXdc1MqtMH0JgFlGlSyCe1WZ c8R6qtFoAHCFKjmA3er+fdQdIcKF8NGcMswdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0Drg1IaSNg0snfRdfQ3GAoc8ZgT6UKmbFhq4IT414ilCfLsJz9TLMH4NVb+APVJkzq nQMlk/qTPXWkhX+3y6dM5Nt08PCRQ0LWcAEQ5VvrwR5MhHqOMSkQ63AeyQZF79hyMpCx t+RQvbL6qozoY4Njy9CDBPpKN1rov+VAOBAek= Received: by 10.216.237.132 with SMTP id y4mr664715weq.16.1286826108229; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.1 with SMTP id z1ls735968weo.1.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr332400wea.14.1286826106964; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr332399wea.14.1286826106941; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si1584558weq.8.2010.10.11.12.41.45; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-wy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 28so429724wyf.14 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.135.203 with SMTP id o11mr6013431wbt.162.1286826105688; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101010193518.0350bb12.kfa@gmx.net> <201010110934.45632.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:41:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translation exercise - Titan atmosphere life ingredients From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1053 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Use a construction with {zi'o} and perhaps with {be}? That works from a purely formal perspective, if you are only concerned with explicit meaning, but if you factor in the connotations I don't think it works as a neutral form very well. I don't think the craetionist would be too happy with "lo terzba be fi zi'o". (How dare you obliterate His place like that!) "zi'o" calls attention to the very place you least want the attention to go to, so it never really quite works as intended. How about "krapau": x1 is an original/source element of x2"? Makes me think of cars and such, though. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.