Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6CSd-00054u-6S; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:18:27 -0700 Received: by gwj22 with SMTP id 22sf1107080gwj.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:18:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uzFdKANy7uTNPZodCTVmTr37W+L/9lsrafPSNxHESHA=; b=afTV36wcWXN8+IDEbpcyGWcNC1gK4Up1ECsDP1LBPBXUXlZls9B2IAZVEGjCSdmdnO Vt/riaIL1W1AY7V9HYqfAgjV506sADmQtETIR4KCMx8FdIxMwLbJK+VMg/RACuraTofO rGgY7TP07yhUOYpV9n/VlXTTdSednWUNqc5Y0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0oPVZl2i+OZfq9qAGPCqvoLMRKMdpHJ+wTU6+liGfAITMRKduTY5FjeORbMdwg+7px J6cJFCxEJhOIfgCtKkfFbItMPMUxKwn36MKcB7wCVNQeeSYBRDenYZCplG5piP2+vrdP 8uO3jif0VzskDJP3oEbongHCppGtXCY68k+Nk= Received: by 10.90.117.17 with SMTP id p17mr210919agc.58.1287019077542; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls1096579ibb.0.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr3217100ibz.9.1287019076662; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr3217098ibz.9.1287019076637; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si6284503ibb.2.2010.10.13.18.17.55; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-iw0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 40so157146iwn.11 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.7.144 with SMTP id e16mr5327642ice.46.1287019074450; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:17:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] A friggin' proposal. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016da2c078fc0492897a8e Content-Length: 3645 --005045016da2c078fc0492897a8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here it is. It's simple: Always begin all jufra with {.i} or {ni'o}. This includes the first utterance. This enables one to easily determine whether something said is intended as a continuation of the previous speaker's jufra or starting a new one. Example: Current usage: A: do klama ma B: lo zarci Humans understand this to mean "do klama ma .i lo zarci", while a machine parser will understand it to mean "do klama ma lo zarci", which is not the same. Proposal usage: A: .i do klama ma B: .i lo zarci Both humans and a machine parser understand this to mean ".i do klama ma .i lo zarci". Benefits: One person can easily complete another's jufra by merely not beginning with {.i}. Occasions on which this ability may be desired are: twins finishing each other's sentences, parent's teaching children new words, teaching in general (T:"Two plus two is...?" S:"4!"). Downfall: Needing to say {.i} Possible ambiguity involving quote words, which could require an explicit "continuance - non-continuance" tag cmavo. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --005045016da2c078fc0492897a8e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here it is. It's simple:

Always begin all jufra with {.i} or {ni= 'o}. This includes the first utterance. This enables one to easily dete= rmine whether something said is intended as a continuation of the previous = speaker's jufra or starting a new one.

Example:

Current usage:

A: do klama ma
B: lo zarci
=
Humans understand this to mean "do klama ma .i lo zarci", whi= le a machine parser will understand it to mean "do klama ma lo zarci&q= uot;, which is not the same.

Proposal usage:

A: .i do klama ma
B: .i lo zarci

Both = humans and a machine parser understand this to mean ".i do klama ma .i= lo zarci".

Benefits:

One person can easily complete ano= ther's jufra by merely not beginning with {.i}. Occasions on which this= ability may be desired are: twins finishing each other's sentences, pa= rent's teaching children new words, teaching in general (T:"Two pl= us two is...?" S:"4!").

Downfall:

Needing to say {.i}
Possible ambiguity involving qu= ote words, which could require an explicit "continuance - non-continua= nce" tag cmavo.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.=

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )

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